Update to worlds longest headache - was 18 years, now 23!

[airbus310]

Yep, another five (5) years under my belt and now 201,500 hours of 24/7 CONTINUOUS chronic pain, about 8 to 9 on the old pain scale!

Much has happened with the end result being location of DVT in a pretty big vein deep inside my brain. Result of an old infection and now completely blocked off with old scarring and tissue.

Impossible to be treated and appears it will not kill me - damn!

No support from wife or family or who long ago lost interest, sympathy and understanding for Dad's Headache!

Off all painkillers, anti depressants now as pain is so intense and no medication works anymore.

Not afraid of dying, just afraid of living, something I hope is pretty short lived !

All that keeps me going is my dog! Sad isn't it!

When I  , half my entire adult life will have been living with chronic pain and nobody really cares about moi anymore, just mi dawg!

[Tomr64]

I am 47 years old and have had headaches every day all day as far back as I can remember.  Although those headaches were generally only 4-5 on the pain scale.  I incorrectly attributed the headaches to the various arthritetic joints that I have due to multiple sports injuries.  However, the headaches started escalating in Jan this year.  By the end of Jan they were at 8-9 every day all day.  I was diagnosed with an arachnoid cyst at the End of February.  I had a shunt installed to release the pressure in the cyst put in at the end of april.  The shunt inadvertently drained the cyst completely which caused my brain to collapse onto itself which in turn caused bleeding on my brain.  I have had headaches at 8-10 on the pain scale from all of april until the two weeks ago when I had the blood drained and the shunt shut off. When brain fills back up with CSF and the pressure in my brain is equalized, I will have on emore operaion where they will replace the valve in the shunt with a more appropriate value valve.  In the meantime, I have headaches the range from 5-9 on the pain scale.  I realize that while this experience is actually longer than your experience it actually pales in to the pain level.  I am posting this to show that you are not the only person who has this type of experience and there are people who understand and sympathize.    

[airbus310]

Wow!
That is truly dreadful!
I have heard of that type of medical problem and the shunt solution - when it works!
From what I read, the failure problem is disappointingly high, I really hope you can get on top of this one as you are still pretty young impaired to me at sixty eight!
Biggest ***** I have is that after a year or more, pretty well everybody stops caring about "you and your headache!"
My family don't give a rat's about mine any longer, they just keep on living and acting as if I was the healthiest and happiest guy in the world.
Of course, if you try to put on a happy face they say "oh goody, he is feeling good today........." which I ain't!
Thanks for the reply and again hope the Docs beat it next time!

[sara12345]

Hi, I'm terribly worried about you with good reason.  

No regular prophylactic medication helped me either.  Why don't you mention any of the other treatments available?  Has no doctor tried you with Botox, nerve block injections, trigger point injections, accupuncture, food sensitivities, physical therapy, etc.

The only daily prophylactic med that helped me was an herbal medication called Petadolex, but I have been most helped by the injections.

You certainly deserve to feel pain free.   Then you can find another spouse that will care for you.  It's hard to function much to meet anyone when you're in so much pain.  

So please describe what else you have tried.  I would like to try to help you.
Sara

[airbus310]

Apologies for being a bit skimpy with the replies and advising therein all the treatments I have tried but after 23 years, one does forget what has been tried and what hasn't but I can assure you helpful guys that short of a Witch Doctor's treatment or being impaled on the Cross, there is NOTHING I have not tried.

At last count it was approximately eighteen X-rays, nine MRI's, 1 PET scan, nuclear medicine, surgical implant into the forehead with some zappy thingo that was actually worse than the headache, brow lift (don't laugh!) too many blood tests to even try to list, EVERY arm of the medical fraternity, dental, ENT, audio, visual, balance, plus again every arm of the alternative medicine you can possibly imagine. hypnotism, accupunture (five times), massages by the dozens, sniffing stuff, swallowing stuff and on and on and on........................

Anyhow, trust me, I am off the medical merry go around for keeps. That was worse than the disease!

202,000 hours of 24/7 on the pain scale round the 7 to 10 mark every day, not a seconds relief!

At 68, I am ready to pull the pin the instant I lose mi three year old dawg, have all the tablets all packed away nicely, won't be doing it if any family member croaks as they don't give a rat's anyway, just me pooch!

Kinda sad isn't it? Retired international airline pilot whose life hangs on a dog's hair - well I though that sounded funny!

Thanks again for the advice and suggestions guys!! Much appreciated!

Pills? Yeh, don't even go there! Up to and including morphine, Pethanol by the bucket, Oxycondone, Jurnista (present one but not working anymore), morphine self injected pump ................... that's just scratching the surface!

But the greatest pain of all?????

Being dumped by the family, wife, two grown up kids, only brother and a few rellies! That is REAL pain! They all understandably got sick of old dad's headaches and now my gorgeous little three year old Maltese Poodle cross is all I have left in life.

Even the Docs have lost interest, can't blame them really!

Once I worked out that over the twenty three years I had tried about just on 400 treatments from as basic as an aspro right through to seven days of an intravenous drip of Novocaine into my arm culminating in a massive 300 mills of the stuff on the last day.

Underwent University "experimental tests", volunteered for some really savage way-off-centre trials and even looking at the above, I know I have missed dozens and dozens ........................

Even finished up in the local mental hospital one night after trying a "new and fantastic" drug (Tryleca I think ......?) that blew my brains out literally!

I'm dun people, once the pooch quits so do I, even paid for the plot!

Oh yeh, I don't need a Pyscho, know what I am about and not going down that patch again (three of them already)

Even went to a few Pain Management groups where we all sat around in a circle, clapping hands, singing and saying "I am not in pain, I can beat it!!"

Not my cup of tea!!

Just you folk all hope my mutt stays in good health 'cos I will be gone the same day as the day he quits!

Thanks again!

[jcanzo]

Are you still alive?

[Katimar_]

I also just started suffering from chronic daily headaches. I'm considering the daith piercing from an RN in San Diego, CA. Midway area. He works at Body Art Salon and he's been helping people with chronic migraines for years with those piercings.
I've barely got a month with it so I'm still hoping a medical cause could be found for it. Maybe I'm being silly...I know.

Anyway, something I found interesting is that you said you're a pilot. I know I get pressure headaches from change in elevation. What if, and maybe this is silly.....but what if you move to a city with very high elevation? Maybe all those years in the clouds affected your inner body pressure more than you thought?
I'd say worth a shot.
I hear there's a city in Chile really really high up in the mountains. That some people need oxygen when they arrive because of how high it is and how they're not used to it. Take a month long vacation there.
Worth a shot. Got nothing left to loose right?


Oh my god.....I just realized this is from 2012....talk about possibly being 10 years too late ...

[Tomr64]

I could be trite and encourage you to "hang in there" and"keep you chin up" because it is going to get better.  However, if you have had these symptoms for over 23 years, then these platitiudes are completely meaningless.  From your description, it is impossible to tell how long ago you have decided that you have suffered through enough treatments and the side effects.and will just wiat it out (so to speak).  I have one possible path that could help alleviate some of the pain and some of the mental anguish.  I am not certain where you live, but it seems that you are based in Europe somewhere.  Medical marijuana is legal in some states in the U.S.  I am not certain if this is possible where you live.  I happen to be clean (no drugs) for 25 years and sober (no alcohol) for 15 years.  Therefore, this path is not really open to me unless I ever get to the point that you are at now.  This approach will not solve your issues, but is a coping tool that could make things more bearable for a longer period of time.  Please look at the attached link below.  I hope this is somehting that could possibly provide some comfort and relief.          

http://www.letfreedomgrow.com/cmu/cannabis_and_migraine.htm

I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers.  I believe that my medical condition is in the end emminently fixable and that I will not be in the position of having suffered at the level that you are suffering for such a long period of time.  Therefore, I cannot really empathize as I much as I would like.  I just  to want you to know you are not alone.
Regards

[sara12345]

With daily migraines every day and not able to have any kind of a life, I was nearly suicidal at one point.  I had spent a lot of time at the ER.  The migraines were caused by a stroke which the doctors said I would probably have for the rest of my life.  I cried from beginning to end of my doctor's appointment, telling her that no drug could possibly help a situational problem like I had.  She wanted to me to further increase an anti-depressant that I was already taking.  I did and the depression lifted about 5 weeks later.

You sound too bitter to try anything else including anti-depressants or the Botox which has been proven to help many people, especially those that no medications have helped.  It may not have even been available over most of the 23 years that you have suffered.  And now an opiate Butran patch came out in the last year which has kept me out of the ER ever since at the 10mcg level.

But like you said, you want to be the way you are.  I am sorry for you.

[airbus310]

Thanks not only to Sara but also the other caring folks who have taken the time  to offer advice and suggestions.

One of the reasons I didn't mention Botok as suggested is that were I to list everything I had tried over the twenty three years, the Webmaster would have a fit at the space I took up ..........

When you spend that number of years going to GP's, Specialists plus throw in all the tests, X-rays etc. with a goodly dose of medication tossed in for good luck and then exhaust the alternative medicine fields, you an really say "been there dun that" in the sure knowledge you haven't missed anything!

And your really and truly get soooooo tired of the game that eventually you just give up! Call me a quitter if you will but all my reserves are gone. I just don have the motivation to front up for another "let's try this and see if it works."

But jumping ahead a lot, you know what is the hardest aspect to handle?

The pain? Nope

The Depression? Nope

The fear of finding something bad? Nope

It is the dreadful hurt and disappointment of losing your family and friends support and understanding! That is the killer! But that is also the way of the world! Humans forget as time passes, as in grieving for a lost one! No matter how much one cares, eventually the brain goes into what I call reject mode or as some would say, denial!

My wife genuinely never gives a thought to the fact that I am suffering 24/7 on a pain sale of around the seven to eight every waking SECOND!
And she can't be blamed for his as it is natures way .......... Kids the  same, friends and rellies the same. Sure, on the day if I raise the issue (that I avoid like the plague) then there may be a momentary recognition of the suffering I am encountering but it soon passes.

And that is what really, really hurts! You desperately want others to understand the pain and/or depression you are undergoing, maybe sympathize with you a little now and then, show an interest in your problems ...... but life isn't so warm and cuddly! My ninety five year old Dad is as deaf as the proverbial post, has been for over thirty years and with a certain amount of guilt I must admit I just can't keep feeling sorry for him every second of every day. It is just too tiring!

And old people (digressing now I know) tend to become moaners! So the more he moans the more I tire of it and shut off! I have enough problems of  my own without taking on other peoples issues, called baggage I think!

And that is why the world has things called ......... Wait for it ........ FORUMS,

Because to many of us that is all we have left! Certainly we use them to seek and gain information but it is also to come across other folk who (still) care!

I'm dun!

[sara12345]

You do show a depth of perception.  Another viewpoint is my mother's reaction to a live-in boyfriend at her home.  He has a terrible shingles condition with the herpetic complication and is too old for any treatments to work.  It is an extremely painful condition.  

When they were living together he would constantly complain and moan about his pain.  My mother was an absolute slave to him, doing everything for him, not just daily chores, but constantly calling all his doctors, writing letters to the doctors, buying him clothes, etc.  But his pain was too much for her to listen to every day because it hurt her so much, loving him the way she did.  The stress on her from this was tremendous and eventually rose her blood pressure too high, led to congestive heart failure and finally a stroke which eventually killed her.  He still lives on in pain.

We do all feel for your pain.  I do.  And people in chronic pain sometimes just can't take it and commit suicide.  But you don't reference that as your main problem.  Are there any support groups in your area for people dealing with pain?  You ought to inquire about it at your doctor's office, a senior center, or put a posting in the local newspaper for starting your own group.  I did that once for a different problem.  Even if only person responds, then you have a local buddy to share with.

I know that I am a really big PAIN in the BUTT, but I have to ask you to ask to wear the Butrans patch.  Even if it only helps your pain 10%, then that could help you.

There are many, many of us on this website with daily chronic pain which has destroyed the life as we knew it to be.  

And besides my 24/7 migraine pain, I also have fibromyalgia which causes pain all over.  Plus I am also treated for acid reflux, asthma, osteoporosis, depression, myoclonus, high homocysteine, allergies, hypothryroidism, low estrogen, bletharitis, rosacea, scalp problems, and on and on.  Also I have stroke weakness on my right side causing terrible falls, plus kidney failure from the CT scans after my stroke.  And sometimes my words come out wrong or I can't find the right word to say from my stroke aphasia.  I have no appetite so one of my biggest problems when I was so depressed was that I had to get up every day and have to eat.  That was torture.  I need 12 hours of sleep every night since my stroke or my migraines get terrible.  Heard enough??  I'll bet.  Another human reaction.

You take care.  Maybe you'll get the sympathy that you need from this site.  People do understand your pain on this site.  

But your bitterness is another issue.  I had a friend who lost his wife and three children who wanted nothing more to do with him and he had no medical issues.  He was also very bitter for a long time, but has since made new friends.  

I wish you the best.

Sara

[airbus310]

'Choofing' means still going - I think!

Thanks particularly to Sara12345 who has been very understanding and when I see her health issues, I start to realize that maybe I am not so bad after all. And yes Sara, just listening to YOU has made a difference to my outlook on life 'cos I am marginally better as of the last year!

a) I appreciate that basically I am in really good health other than the chronic pain and moderate depression. I can't remember the last time that I was 'sick' in the sense of the word and only ever visit the Doc once a month to get some scripts filled. Never have smoked, rarely drink, tad few too many kilos but not obese and b) Having reached seventy, the number of years in front of me are a hell of a lot less than the ones behind me so have to make a BIG effort to enjoy them, far from easy!

I am still on 32 mg Jurnista daily that still works reasonably well after some three years now even though it is an opioid; plus a magic little pick-me-tablet called Serepax that is a life saviour in its ability to drag you out of the bad mood days.

Pain wise I really do think I have dropped to a 4-5 and like most chronic pain sufferers have to continually reassess myself keeping in mind 'is it as bad as I think it is?' Have accepted the fact that my wife is now just a good friend and our loving, romantic days are long since gone and I have to soldier on accepting my own mortality and the present is more important than the past!

So folks, I think I'll make it to the finishing line in a family that traditionally lives to ninety five plus , Mum still going coming up ninety six, albeit blind and barely mobile!

So, the big twenty five year headache anniversary coming up in February and the final opinion from the medical fraternity appears to be that when I was an airline pilot and whilst training in France on the the then-new Airbus aircraft in 1989, I picked up a moderate sinus infection that took on the symptoms of DVT and progressed to the stage where that part of the artery/vein plumbing in my brain has closed over during scarring etc. Coupled with a similar condition in the Venus drainage system, the old blood flow is not going in or out the right pipes and holes! That's a medical explanation for you!

My dog still continues to be my mainstay and greatest supporter in life and that is still the saddest part for meI still love my wife as much as the day I first met her but now try to see 'me' from her perspective and hence try to put on a brave face and not moan and grizzle too much!

I'll keep checking in here more regularly and Sara12345, thanks for your support, it DID work to a degree!

[Eddie1994]

Dear Airbus,

Sorry to hear about your long lived headaches.  My wife suffers from them as well  and we know her triggers.  Like you much has not helped her except Maxalt MLT 10mg if caught fast enough or if they are not weather related.  

She has had success with EEG Neurofeedback.  If you want to investigate this option search engine the term ISNR Neurofeedback and that will help get you started on the subject.  Some insurers cover this treatment.  It is noninvasive and is not a drug.  If I hadn't witnessed her results I would never have believed such a treatment could work but it does.  Her three day long migraines have been reduced to less then 12 hours in many cases and for us this is a success.  She's had well over 2,500 migraine days since 1994 following post surgical brain aneurysm clipping.  I hope this treatment will help you regain some of what you have lost.  Good luck and keep me posted as I do watch this site.

[percheron]

Hey, I wanted to tell you that I think you are a very brave man.

I understand what you said, about the pain of losing the support and interest of your family being the worst of all. It´s good that you try to see things from their perspective too, to understand them, but nevertheless it must be heartbreaking.

It´s a tough world, and there is so much suffering. Unfortunately most people only realize how much others suffer when they are in pain themselves. Maybe you can use that knowledge and that empathy to help others, at least if your physical condition lets you. There are so many mistreated animals in this world, so many children in need, so many lonely people,... Helping others will make you feel good about yourself, and that might make your life more bearable, despite the pain.

I´m sorry if I sound too moralistic, I just wanted to share this thought with you because I´ve been struggling with depressions for the last 15 years (and I´m only 33), and it´s that attitude that has helped me the most, more than all those antidepressants.

You have moved me very much with your story. I wish you all the best.

[Ball123]

My sympathies for you airbus and sarah and the rest of you.
You do seem very mature and intelligent in your way of reasoning and I think that you are correct in almost all you write.

People do forget. Life is hard.

To lose friends and family to the point where you feel that there is nothing left, that is really hard.

Life ***** and there is nothing we can do about it sometimes.

You have my sympathy, for what it is worth.

[sara12345]

Airbus,  What a sweet, caring message from you.  I am so glad that there is some light in your life.  God knows that it must be hard. Thanks so very much for getting back to me.  Sorry that I didn't catch it until now.

You did mention some depression in your message.  My severe depression was the most pain that I have ever endured.  The pain was so bad that I constantly bargained with myself to not commit suicide. Now my depression is controlled by an antidepressant.  And also from Klonopin which I need to take for my involuntary jerking caused by my stroke.  But it is also an anti-anxiety med which has also helped my outlook.

So if you can get any better treatment for your depression, that would make a HUGE difference in your quality of life.  It makes everything worse.  

Things have gotten a bit better for me as far as my migraines due to better placed locations and increased quantities of Botox.  Also a TENS unit has helped me.

I am truly sorry for your long road of pain.  But you are a good person.  You take care.
Sara

[Tomr64]

It has been almost two years since I have responded to this thread.  I have had three more shunt revision surgeries for a total of five brain surgeries (Apr 2012, May 2012, Jul 2012, Feb 2013, and Jul 2013) to address my subarachnoid cyst.  The cyst was rather large (12 cm by 5cm x 6cm) which caused severe headaches, difficulty talking and significant cognitive issues.  The shunts are in place to ensure that the fluid does nto build up anymore.  The headaches are virtually gone.  I am starting therapy next week to improve my speech and improve my cognitive abilities.  I am a quality engineer that was employed at a robotics company.  I have left the robotics company and moved to a company that makes proton therapy equipment that treats cancer in hospitals.  This condition has made my home life and particularly my work life very difficult due to speech and cognitive issues that has made day to day life fairly difficult.  I have struggled to continue to work as an engineer  in very complex and fast moving environments.  However, there is light at the end of the tunnel.  I am starting physical therapy next week to help improve my speech and cognitive issues.  I am a very private person that normally does not “share” anything.  I do not use facebook, twitter or any other media.  However, I was looking for information on my condition and found this thread.  I want to share my improvement in the hope of offering some kind of hope to others in similar situations.  Airbus, I am very pleased to see the improvements in your both your physical health and mental health.  Warm Regards.        

[sara12345]

Thanks for your comments.  I am impressed that you have tried to keep working in a technical, complex and fast moving occupation.  That says a lot for you.  Good luck with your therapy sessions.  You get out of it what you spend time on the exercises outside of the session, which I'm sure you will be dedicated as your comments show. Best to you.

[airbus310]

And I'm still contemplating what it would be like just to not wake up one morning, pity is I wouldn't feel it would I? Wouldn't know the pleasure of it!

I've had no more tests or X-rays etc. but have been messing about with anti depressant tablets and still on 32mg Jurnista that has pretty well stopped working after almost four years of taking it now.

My nerves and emotions are completely shattered and I can't remember the last time I laughed over anything. All that keeps me going is my five year old dog who is like a third leg to me. Never lets me out of his sight and is a wonderful companion. My wife continues not to give a rats about me and I guess I can understand that after all this time. Even my doctor just treats me like a customer at the supermarket, come in, hello, here's your scripts, goodbye!

If I ask what else can be done, just get a shake of the head and nothing!

I really do fear that if anything happened to my mutt, I would end it all. I have "some tablets" stored away that I know will do the trick but too worried of what would happen to my pooch. Sad isn't it when all you have left in life is a dog! Family couldn't care less, doctors don't care, sigh, what a mess I'm in!

I go and hide in another bedroom so I won't annoy my wife when I put a nice pack on my head - that does no real good - just shut myself away from everybody!

That's is guys, I'm probably in the worse shape I've ever been in though I've had the occasional feeling sometimes I might be on the improve but it's only a temporary relief for a week or two and then all downhill again.

Bugga!

[alicotebrad]

I have so much empathy for you. Losing the support of your family is difficult- I stopped many years ago complaining about or discussing this issue with  my family, friends or co-workers. My boyfriend admits he does not understand and actually he says I should just quit all the doctors and medications. Maybe he is right.
What no one who is not in this situation cannot understand is the immense frustration of the run around by the physicians. Also that it is very difficult to continue to seek care when you feel like absolute crap every single day. I have to go to work, act like nothing is wrong, perform at 100% every day (I am a veterinarian) and then find time and energy to continue to seek care and try to get better.
So.... no wonder you are frustrated and simply want the pain to end. I completely get this. I have been to 6 different neurologists in the past 3 years. My head and neck pain is worse, not better.
I am hoping for a miracle at this point!

[samson123456]

i think medical is advanced & day by day it will have more solution to the problems, who knows by end of year we may have solution.
i am sure u will get cured.

[sara12345]

Neck pain can indicate a source of your head pain.  Have you tried nerve block and trigger point injections in your head, neck and shoulders?  That has helped me a lot.  And if you have headaches at least 15 days a month, then you would be a good candidate for Botox injections which have helped me the most.  I'm assuming that you have tried at least several daily preventative migraine medications.  Let me know what they have offered to you.

[airbus310]

Yep, been there dun that with the Botox in the neck, forehead til I looked  like a pincushion! Had CAT Scans of neck, shoulders and nothing there to get excited about.

As  the pain is in the front of my forehead and none in the neck or other parts of head, most specialists say it would not be from neck issues.

Thanks again for your advices!

[sara12345]

Again, I am so sorry to hear that nothing has helped you.  Sorry to hear that the Botox didn't help you.  It didn't help me at all until the dose was greatly increased.  Hope that you got a fair trial of it.  

Also to everyone else, I had a few pricks on my forehead for about a day or so which I proudly said was my badge of honor--showing people that I do whatever it takes to get better--LOL.  Also getting a prescription for a lidocaine cream reduced both the pain and the pinpricks from showing.  

Also the Butrans patches have helped me to stay out of the ER and allowed me to move around a bit more without the migraines getting so horrible.  Did you ever try those?  It is a narcotic.  There's always a reason to try something new if it will help your pain even just a little.  You take care.
Sara

[airbus310]

You are my good (old) reliable supporter Sara!

Yep, tried all the patches and several treatments of Botox but surprise surprise........ No joy!

At the moment I am probably a five out of ten on the quality of life scale! Although I have been on the Jurnista 32 mg for about three years, it still helps me out a bit .......... Not a lot but OK.

I have switched my anti depression pills around, now on a great BP tablet and can get through the day not too bad.

I'm now on an anti called PRISTIQ that is working reasonably well but the old SEREPAX 30 mg twice a day is still my life saver!

Wouldn't say I'm a happy little black duck but I think I heave kind of accepted that what I am is what I am!

Keep waiting for a better pain killer to come along ............ Like squillions of others no doubt.

Funny thing is that other than the 24/7 headache I can never recall ever being sick in the last thirty if so years! All my tests come up as A1 and that frustrates the hell out of me, to feel so healthy but destroyed by the pain!

Oh well, maybe a rum and coke now might be the ticket!

[sara12345]

Oh my sweet Airbus. I'm on Pristiq too. But I'm also on Klonopin which is an anti-anxiety medication which I read that Serepax is. I need it for my involuntary jerking caused by my stroke, otherwise would not be able to sleep at all.  But in the process it has taken away a mild form of anxiety that I was only vaguely aware of, but was with me constantly.  And then I would suddenly have extreme anxiety about absolutely nothing.  All that is now gone. So can't you get on something like Klonopin which is available in a generic?  

You sound a lot better than your posting above, nearly 2 years ago. I know that you would rather be a whole lot better than you are however.

I have next to no life with all my medical problems including the 24/7 migraines plus other major pain issues. But I have made peace with it.  But then I do have a wonderful husband.  He has all the freedom that he wants to work on his hobbies and does all of his socializing without me.  He used to get upset about me never being able to go to anything, but has gotten adjusted to it.

Forget about the better pain killers--LOL . I'm with my neurologist who keeps saying that he wishes that we could figure out how to get rid of my migraines.

I do wish you a good rum and coke.  I cannot drink anything alcoholic with my Butrans patches as well as probably a bunch of other medications, but I'm with you in spirit.

[airbus310]

Hi Sara, Yep, Serepax is the shot for me, just one of those drugs that seems to work, I never get addicted to with zero side effects. just perks me for about 6-8 hours before I take the second and last one for the day.

It is the same as Klonopin so same ingredients I guess!

You are in much worse shape than me sadly but you always cheer me up with your responses!

I have found that 100 mg of Pristiq works pretty good for me for deep seated depression and the Serepax to maker me better on the surface!

I just have to give up on the headache but it is always there in a dizzy, drowsy, sleepy WAY as well as the pain and I can drop off to sleep in a minutes notice!

I took a vita-mix tablet called Protrandim a few years back that definitely perked me up but, liker most vitamins, it's effect wore off but I have given it another try again on double the dose to see what happens. The urine test before and after I took it fgor several months was truly astonishing it the difference but doesn't mean to say it was doing any good.

The Net is alive with the Pros and Coins of it's value!

I'd eat scorpions, cobras and rattlesnakes (alive) if I could just wake up one morning without constant pain. Really gets me down and at best get three hours sleep a night that cant be doing me any good either!

Anyhow, keep on trucking and please look after yourself. Drop me a line if you are ever feeling down and out and want a chat eh?

***@****

Cheers

Ian