3rd day off oxy and feel like hell

[3rddayoff]

Anybody have a good way to fall asleep whil detoxing from oxy. I m on day 3 and havnt slept yet any ideas

[TNexperience]

lots of exercise, if you can.... nothing works other than meds (xanax, soma, seda)- try melotonine- over the counter. muscle relaxers for the restlessness (icy hot, sports muscle rub) Ibprofen etc. NO OPIODS
good luck

[vicki595]

Hi~  Sleep is tough at best!  It takes a little time to reset the clock.

There are a few things you can do:

Get some "Super Snooze Melatonin". It's at most stores. It contains minerals and amino acids that will calm you AND help the RLS.

Don't try to force sleep. Don't even go to bed. Relax on the sofa and get yourself really comfortable!  Take a very hot bath,warm up your comfy clothes and a blanket in the clothes dryer. Get dressed,wrap up and relax.  Even if you don't sleep you'll feel wonderful ( at least a little  :)

Good luck and don't give up!!

[jstntime]

Sleep absence will usually depend on how much oxy and for how long.

I've done it many many times at different dosages and might be able to give you an idea when it will get better though it can be wildly different from person to person.

You have good advice from Vicki.  The no sleep is a right of passage, it's part of the package.  Don't get frustrated and remember it WILL get better.  Staying warm is crucial to feeling more at peace.  Keep the blankets ready to kick off when the sweats come and if you fall asleep to wake up and find yourself drenched in sweat, jump in the shower or at the very least change  your shirt if you sleep in one.  You can sleep on a towel if it gets bad.

Push through it.  Sleeping is usually the last piece of the puzzle to feeling better.  It all comes down to how badly you want it.  Most of us here have done this and have gotten through it and you can too.  Staying calm and patient are going to help you.

[ang_811]

try taking the hottest bath u can stand and sit in it for as long as u can.  it will help relax ya a lil bit...the sleep thing will come back eventually but u can take stuff n the mean time to try and help some.. such as melantonin or valerian root...good luck to ya and congrats on ur 3 days clean!!!

[gnarly_1]

HI....you have been given some good  advise already ...unfortunately sleep is usually the last thing to return ....rent some movies to watch at night to keep yourself bizzy when your ready to try to go to sleep turn on some soft music lay down on the couch with your eyes closed and you will fall into a deep state of rest....it as close to sleep as your going to get for a wile and you may even drift of for an hr here and there the hot bath thing helped me
I also used vlarian root and melatonine hang in there your still early on with this thing
you will start to sleep a little here and there but its going to be a wile b/4 you see a solid nights sleep again.....good luck and God bless.......Gnarly

[3rddayoff]

So heres the deal

Benn on oy for approx 2 years. Started with 10 mg for fun until I was at 160-190 mg/day. Took 2 weeks off work and my wife took a week also

Sheen a doc and heprescribed clonidine and vallium 10mg.

Detox day 1 Took 20mg long action and 10 mgs to sleep Feel like hell...
Day2 took 10 mg at night to sleep but made the sleeping thing worst so I was up all night I wish there was only 10 hours in a day lol Hot baths help alot
Day 3 Feel like crap the vallium takes aways all my energy but helps the process alot, once again,10mg to sleep and this time i slept for about 3 hours untill my body wanted more.....Oh yeah, I take 0.1 mg clonidine 4x a day.

So its not really cold turkey but today I will go see a dr for something to help me sleep instead of the 10mg os oxy

I am verry scared and affrais to relapse back to my old habbit. The detox suxx big time but Ive got lots of help

So here I am on day 4 523 am and lots on my mind.....Is the 10mg that bad or is it gonne go away......

plz reply asap and lemme know where I stand

Tx guys and gals  Nick

[jstntime]

hey Nick,

If you were taking 160-190 mg per day then the 10 mg isn't going to do anything for you.  The best thing you can do is to get rid of them.  You are already in full wd now and the only thing they will do is stretch it out a few more days.

I think that the best way to get back to your old habit is to keep taking those 10's.  Dump them and join the party!!!

You can do this.  If you have 2 weeks off you should be doing pretty well by then.  Trust us, the sleep will come back.

bob

[3rddayoff]

Well saw a dr this morning and he suggested suboxone but am already on my 4th day. He gave me a really good sleeping med called Zopiclone 15mg at bed time. Right now I just feel like when I quit smoking and the craving is awfull. I have alot of vallium and clonidine to help out. Flushed my last 10s but they didnt help at all...well maybe for a 30 min nap lol. I didnt get any leg cramps or anuthing I started taking potassium pills earlyer this week so thats a good thing.I just wish I could talk to someone in my situation at any given time say like 3 am 1pm wuthever...

[jstntime]

Hey again,

I think that was a smart move to dump the 10's.  Great job on that.

As for the sub, I have zero experience with it other than what I have learned here.  I know some who have had great results and others who curse it.  Do your homework and decide what is best for you.

If you can't sleep, there are often others here in the same situation.  Come here and post and someone will usually be around to answer.

Have you thought of NA or an addiction counsellor???  Both would go a long way to dealing with your "stuff" right now.

You're doing great, everything you describe is normal.

Keep keeping and things will get easier,

bob

[feohmoon]

Sub has worked for some and I can understand that but it is a very strong opioid that will leave you in the same situation as far as addiction and dependency but the withdrawals can last longer due to its long half-life.  I would encourage you to continue through this rather than go backwards.
Day 4 is an achievement and you are almost through the initial phase of detoxing - just try to keep your head up, continue posting and possibly seek some aftercare so that you will have the skills you need to stay clean.
Best of luck to you and you are doing great.  Use this forum as an outlet for your feelings, all of which are normal.

[3rddayoff]

Well u guys are a lifeline!!!! I tried to get some sleep this afternoon but decided not to and save all that sleepeness for tonight. Went out with the kids to decorate for halloween. I am able to walk fine its the gitters that are the worst for me. Ive heard bad things about suboxone so I will try my dardest to stay on track.

This afternoon I will try to burn myself out, have a good supper  watch a flick take a 1h bath, take my clonidine, snack and pop those famous sleeping pills... But Ill be back here sooner so keep up the post guys u atre helping me alot   :)

[livngr8ful]

Part of this process is stopping the pill popping type of thinking.  Im not trying to be crass but you seem to be talking up and glorifying "POPPING FAMOUS SLEEPING PILLS" Im not telling you how to do things.  I can say from experience, that thinking process is what continues addictions and hinders recovery. Not to be harsh, but change your thought process, the one you have is very dangerous. Its your choice.. Its experience talking, some things shouldn't be ignored. Do what you need to be healthy.

[jstntime]

Great plan Nick!!!

I'd think if you are 4 days into this that it would be a better route to avoid the sub but I hate to dump on it without any personal experience.

You'll get this.  You have a great attitude and are making all the right steps.  One at a time Nick.  It gets better soon.

Hang in there!!!

bob

[3rddayoff]

Well the pills I take to sleep are non addictive and Im taking the same steps as the rehab centre I ve been too about 4 years ago. The valium I am tapering quite well but still takes the ege off. By Monday I will no longer be taking the valium. I bought some lavender bath oil and some herbal supplements. I am aware that the pill taking clock is to also be distorted but hey Im focussing on getting better. Had my first bowel mouvement ( Not so happy) and am drinking BOOST supplement drinks and gatorade. When I start getting axious, I drink alot and take the natural suplement... At this point its like nicotine withdrawls x 10 But like I said I kicked that habit cold turkey almost 2 years ago.

[3rddayoff]

Well now 737 am,

Slept for about 4 hours but feel great. Ive realised 1 thing and that there is no way,no magic pill Rx or otc that will help with sleep. Wut I did was I took the hottest batth my body could take with some lavender and sea salts. Got cozy and slept till 4 am, took another hot bat turned on my pc and dozed off until the runs got to me lol ..Oh well Ill take diarrea anytime over the first days of detox. Funny how i only had a bm on day 4.

I am off the valium well....Im tapering to 1mg today but started take L-Tyrosine and I think its helping already. I will stick with the chlonide for another couple days. It help with the cold sweats , rls and amxiety....Not ready to dance r anything but it gets better after day 4-5

Plz respond asap tx

Nick

[3rddayoff]

Hey Bob
Thanx for being there for me I need constant feedback..lol reassurance if u may. Right now I am always angry with my wife and kids but they take it with a grain of salt my brain wants to PARTY but my body says SIT THE F*&^ Down lol weird. Been eating a bit more oranges for some reason. What comes next Bob

Tx Nickz

[jstntime]

Hi again,

I'm glad your family seems somewhat understanding of what you're going through.  I remember back to my first detox which was pretty bad and I was on day two I think.  I completely lost it on a stranger.  That is so out of character for me. I called him every name in the book.  I should have been wearing a straight jacket that day I think.  He was much bigger than me but I didn't care.  He must have realized that I was crazy because he got the heII away from me. ha ha  He DID deserve it though!!!  Anyway, I just tell you that because it is sooooo normal this early into things to have swinging emotions.

When you're in a calmer or more loving mood, tell the wife and family you appreciate them and that their support means everything to you right now.  Explain to them that it's very normal to be "on edge" right now.

So today is day 5 for you?  You really should be starting to turn the corner on the physical stuff.  What's next???  Get some fresh air, get out with the kids.  Force yourself to do something.  

Have you thought about NA or anything like that??  A counselor??? Those things can make a world of difference on how you feel and on your chances for long-term success.

So you are in Quebec???  It's nice to know I'm not the only addict in Canada!!!  :)

Have a good one Nick, you're doing awesome, it WILL get better,

bob

[3rddayoff]

Yup good ol Quebec where the good comes cheap or used too..lol

I have an appointement with a councilor on monday wich is tomorrow.WOW already...
I remembered I had an 80mg hiddin somewhere and about 30 mins was faced with this dileme....U KNOW I tought of just a little nib or peice. I woke my wife up and we talked and I flushed it. I have to understand that they are everywhere 2 of my neighbors make 100 000$ a year by selling them and am not ready to move away.
My wife takes 2x 20 mg oxy a day with 120 Seupredols a month and I have not touched one.

You know what I miss Bob and I dont want to switch from 1 addiction to another but man do I ever miss going fishing and havin a cold one. I wouldnt drink in fear of overdosing or wuthever. Not the best motivation but when I look at her bottle I picture a good time with friends Oxy free.......

Bob I just want u to know that u are the one thats keeping me on track...One complete stranger via internet is changing my life  MY life amd MY FAMILLIES life...

One thing I want to let eveyone know is  DO NOT smoke POT while detoxing Pot is not a calmant like everybody thinks drug and acts as a stimulant my 1st and 2nd day I was smoking and man did it make it worst. Imagine this...Thinking u are dying and then getting an anxiety attack.................lol

Oh yeah wut a bummer, I took 2 tyl for leg pain but where tyl 1 with a bit of codein...I flushed that bottle too u think it will matter in my detox process...I dont think so caus Loperamide wich is the main ingredient in Immodium is a opiate cousin so I was to to stay awa from it   anywhoo

Thanks Bob and the more I hear from u the better my day is  

Nick

[jstntime]

Your wife is going to need to keep those pills hidden from you Nick.  There WILL come a day when they will start talking to you.  The fact you flushed that 80 is a huge step and took a lot of guts to do.  It's like saying good-bye to friend right???  Great job on that.

If you can't move, you're going to have to avoid those neighbours like the plague, seriously.

I'm not doing anything but offering a little encouragement, you're doing all the work Nick.  Sometimes it helps to know we aren't losing our minds by knowing others have had the exact same issues, that we are not alone in this.

I relapsed after taking tylenol #1's once.  They drove me back to oxys, again you are wise to dump them.  Those 2 you took won't affect your wd, it is a very small amount of codeine in them.

You're on the right path, you seem to know where the pitfalls are so be careful.  You're doing great really you are!!!!

bob

[LeaAnn807]

I love this!  Bob, you're awesome....period!  Nick, you're doing so good.  It may not feel like it, but it's true.  You have to tell the wife to lock the pills up.  They will call your name constantly.  Hell, I wish I knew your wife right now!!!!!!  Joking.....But seriously, I could never live in the house with it if I knew about it.  I would make up every excuse on the planet to get hubby to give me one.  I'm lucky he hates pills! : )  So, you're stronger than me to even be sitting in the same house with it.....honestly!

[feohmoon]

It certainly would add another degree of difficulty for me of I knew there were OC's in the house.  I think it would for many of us here...so good job with that Nick, just be careful.  Addiction is strange - just one minute seemingly out of the blue the cravings are there.
This forum is a great place and I have come to depend heavily on those here...
You are doing great and that is awesome that you have the support of your family because that makes a world of difference.
Best of luck to you and stay strong.
Peace

[vicki595]

Nick~  It's okay to take Immodium. The opiate component does not cross the blood/brain barrier.  You might need it!!

You really are doing great here. We ALL need support during this process. Try to be pleasant with your family. Fight that crankiness. Eat some chocolate,or my personal favorite,ICE CREAM!!

[3rddayoff]

Thanks so much gang  Just fell assleep for 35 mins strange cause I really want to save that sleepiness for tonight but tonight I will deal with when tonight comes....It seems like when u think about no sleep all day it drains u right out. The human body can be weird sometimes and when it needs sleep it will let u know. I look at the pills sometimes and its just a reminder of how miserable my life was on them and seems to be my motivation but they are locked now........ My wife is going to see her dr Wednesday to change her meds, she is scared also.....

I remember when I quit smoking cold turkey and everytime she would smoke it reminded me of all the bad things that come from smoking and thats what kept me stong....I even quit drinking because everytime I drank I smoked  But eventually quit drinking because of fear that the oxy boose mix was going to kill me....


Oh yeah I forgot to mention this is my 2nd time quitting and I started beacause of kidney stones.


So I called the NA hotline and they told me that flushing the vallium was a bad idea simply because for the first 7-10 day it will create a state of rest in my mind and my body will need that off time as long as i taper down !!!!YEAH right if tapering was easy I wouldnt be here ..lol Oh well...

Im still on the clonidine and will taper from it well.

The L-Tyrosine is great, For many things including mental awareness but I know Bob I wont take it in the PM.


I feel like I can take over the world today but Im a long way from that BRAIN>>>>

I apreciate all the comment and congrats to u folks for overcoming thid desease