For people experienced in opiate withdrawals

[drugshavetakenover]

So I had a heavy opiate addiction for eight months.  The last 3 of those was 3 days of use and 4 days of withdrawals, rinse, repeat.  Eventually I reached the conclusion I couldn't stop on my own because I kept subjecting myself to that hell knowing what would happen.  I went to rehab for 3 months. (the longest i made it on my own was like a week, popped 6 LTs, drank 16 shots of gin and did about 50 mgs of valium and ended up in the hospital.  Then whisked off to rehab.  They pumped my stomach full of charcoal so that may have masked the loose stool symptoms, which tends to be my worst symptom in withdrawal.  I rarely get restless legs but about 2 weeks ago i had trouble sleeping for 3 or 4 days but woke up not tired, just listless and dejected)  So, that was my most recent withdrawal.  Then my *******  Anyway, I'm withdrawing now, probably almost done, but here is my main question;

Would taking a small dose of suboxone (1-2mg) to alleviate the symptoms of withdrawal only extend the symptoms?

A couple months ago i took 2 mgs of suboxone every other day for 2, maybe 3 weeks, then went camping for a week. (no drugs).  Didn't experience withdrawal.  It's just really confusing to me that sometimes I can use suboxone to have a painless detox, and sometimes, I don't.  This last withdrawal is happening after a week and a day of being sober, doing 20 mgs of hydro one day, doing 25 the next day, doing 30 mgs of oxycodone the next day, being sober the day after that, doing 1 mg of suboxone the next day, 1 mg the next day, 3mgs the next day, 2mgs the next day, and now im on day 4 of doing nothing.   I could just tough it out but I'm curious.  You know, cause crapping your pants constantly *****.  And not sleeping.

[Suboxer]

I phrased that poorly. By 'going crazy,' I mean every potsmoker has become very paranoid and panicky at least once, and most, many times, while smoking pot - and yet they continue to smoke. If you took an antibiotic and became paranoid and freaked out, you would quit it.

2) refer to the last paragraph of my long post for the reasons why weed is more dangerous to the psyche and society than heroin, + the fact that people who smoke it are amotivated to do anything else, to a degree not found with any other drug other than heavy LSD, E, and mushroom users... but there are not many heavy users of the 'heavy' psychedelics. There are many heavy weed smokers - people who think it is harmless.

Give an experienced weed smoker, while they are high, a shot of heroin. They cannot feel it. They will not feel it. Because weed is THAT MUCH MORE POTENT IN IT'S EFFECTS ON THE PSYCHE, as to DROWN EVERY OTHER DRUG OUT. A pot smoker would think this was the result of some 'extra potent dro super skunky kind bud chronic.' Every other drug, besides LSD, mushrooms, and E are much weaker than weed in psychological effects. WEED is one of the strongest drugs there is, and very dangerous to mental health for long term smokers (with mental illness rates approaching 80% according to one [NIDA, so.. it likely is a little flawed]) study, for daily pot smokers).

Cocaine and heroin, if legalized, are both less harmful to society than legal weed, along with being orders of magnitude less harmful to the psyche of each individual user.

[123456m]

""EVERY long-term potsmoker has gone crazy at least once off of weed - and many continue to smoke"
"I believe it could be argued that heroin is a less dangerous drug than WEED."

LOL well that tells me more than I need to know about your opinion OMG.
Happy your clean and the laugh
Peace

[Suboxer]

Edit above: where I said, "I believe it could be argued heroin is a less dangerous drug than LSD," I meant to say:

"I believe it could be argued that heroin is a less dangerous drug than WEED."

[Suboxer]

1 Drink is not equivalent to weed. 1) you can drink without getting drunk. You cannot smoke without getting high. 2) Weed is horrible for your mental health - as a recovering heroin addict, I can assure you 100% weed set me down that path - not as a gateway drug per se, but, using opiates to try and medicate the irreversible damage weed caused my mind, which was only bad at first - after I was dosed, without my knowledge, with some amount of LSD, I went through the roof to the point I needed, and continue to need, constant professional help

. Weed is causally linked to schizophrenia and bi-polar disorder, as well as unipolar depression, as well as an 'amotivational syndrome' - (anyone who knows a heavy smoker can attest to this). In short: weed is worse than alcohol, but not as bad for your liver. It's worse for the lungs, and for the mind. No one ever went crazy off of one drink. EVERY long-term potsmoker has gone crazy at least once off of weed - and many continue to smoke. Some, like me, got to the point where we went crazy every time we smoked or smoke. Universally, people who sell enough weed in order to sit and smoke all day do NOTHING else. Weed is as addictive as every other drug, psychologically, and the only two drugs that are worse for your mind are LSD and mushrooms. I believe it could be argued heroin is a less dangerous drug than LSD.

Furthermore: people who smoke weed tend to defend it like it was their mother. At the very least: "it's harmless, it's better than alcohol," if not, "it's good for you, it opens your mind, it makes you creative," etc. etc. Weed addicts do not believe they are addicts... they believe they are creative revolutionaries opening their mind to the evils of 'the System', etc. - Weed smoking is almost like a cult. You will not find an addict to any other drug who claims the drug's benefits and extols and preaches them like a weed addict - they will generally admit to themselves, at least, that they are a junkie.

[dominosarah]

I have read this thread from top to bottom and i have to tell you all it is just simply insane....I am a 30 plus years veteran to the drug world and no i dont have all the answers but i do have an opinion....I cleaned up back in April of 2008, went CT off my DOC and sucked up the WD's.  I realize they are rough and you feel awful and that but what do you expect??  You have been fueling your bodies with drugs.  The WD is the easy part.....staying clean is the hard part.  It takes strength and determination to fight this.....aftercare is necessary.  You have to find out what drove you to keep using.  Not always fun to take a look at yourself and see and own your faults and decisions.  It is vital to do this and in the process you learn the tools to keep you clean.  Turning to some other mind altering chemical isnt going to cut it.  All you are doing is playing with fire and you will get burnt.  I know many come on here and say smoking dope(weed) will help......that is just taking the easy way out again...you need to feel the burn. If there was an easy way out of all of this dont you think someone would share that??  So you feel like cr@p and you are tired for awhile??   The other option is death....and it will happen.  A drug addiction will take you down and it will kill you.........Say what you want to me or about me......but i am 100% clean today........We all have the power and the strength to clean up and have a healthy recovery.....for those that are struggling, dig deep inside yourself and come out fighting......all the best           sara

[123456m]

Great attitude that is what it takes but please never take 16 shots with that much Valium that is what really concerned me. I wish you all the best and your young so this is the very best time for you to become sober and free.
Peace