RE-POST OF DBIRD'S REQUEST FOR HELP

[CGTMHI]

We are SO sorry to have to remove all the wonderful comments you gave to Dbird, but sadly we had to delete JOEY30005's offer to sell drugs, which required that we remove all comments.  We are also tracking "Joey" and will report him to the appropriate authorities when we find him.  Thanks to all of you who are so wonderfully supportive & protective of the forum. If anyone sees ANY inappropriate postings, please let us know ASAP.  Email: staff@medhelp.

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Posted By: dbird on Monday, August 13, 2001

HI EVERYONE, IM A 25 YEAR OLD GUY WHO IS SLOWLY LETTING PAINKILLERS TAKE OVER MY LIFE.ITS TO THE POINT WERE I CAN'T WORK ,SOCIALIZE, OR DO JUST ABOUT ANYTHING WITHOUT BEING HIGH. THE CRAZY THING IS IM NOT HIGH, IM NORMAL. [LET ME EXPLAIN]I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A VERY EMOTIONAL AND DEPRESSED PERSON, AND MY JUNIOR YEAR AT COLLEGE PUT ME OVER THE EDGE. I WENT FROM PAXIL TO PROZAC TO CELEXA. THESE MEDS NEVER REALLY HELPED.ONE DAY AT WORK A CO-WORKER GAVE ME A FEW ULTRAM.I FELT REALLY RELAXED AND NORMAL. NOW 2 YEARS LATER IM TAKING 10 VICODEN ES ADAY. I AM NEVER DEPRESSED AND FEEL NORMAL.I HATE THE DEEP DOWN SHAME I FEEL FOR DOING THIS.I THINK IT WOULD BE EASIER TO KILL MYSELF THAN RID MYSELF OF THIS ADDICTION. THE REASON BEING NOT THE PHYSICAL WITHDRAWL BUT THE MENTAL.I AM IN A SITUATION WERE I CAN NOT AND WILL NOT GO THROUGH AN IN PATIENT DETOX PROGRAM. I AM IN THE PROCESS OFF TAPPERING DOWN, BUT ALWAYS END UP FAILING.IF I CANT GET CLEAN , THIS IS GOING TO RUIN MY LIFE.
SO SCARED-NEED ADVICE,

MICHAEL

[Milo]

Welcome! I posted a note to you earlier, but it got deleted because of the "thoughtful" ad for drugs...Anyway, I've read some of your posts here and there, and just wanted to say I think you bring valuable insights to the forum. I hope you keep posting, and I hope we can help each other out. -- Sincerely, Milo

[Milo]

Jenny -- I'm sorry to hear about the rough time you and your husband are having. It must be devastating to see him "slip off the tracks" so soon after rehab. But it sounds like you're doing the best thing, encouraging him and not giving up. We know that relapse is so common, it's almost expected...as well as the depression. But if people can relapse, they can get better too -- I wish you all the luck in the world!
Data -- welcome, and congratulations/good luck! Stories like yours are an inspiration to everyone. You'll find lots of great folks here who will stand by you through this ordeal and after. -- Milo

[niccee]

I too am detoxing off of methadone. If you get to feeling better please tell me what it has been like. Good luck. Thanks

[GJ]

Some info I'd like to share (and to waste some more time too):

I just read through Phillychad's post about nearly DYING from taking too much magnesium, L-Tyrosine and Zinc in that little detox mixture someone had mentioned awhile back. I'd just like to let anyone who is thinking about using this mixture, first off, to know that he took nearly 3000% times the RDA for Zinc, in which he is DAMN lucky to be alive! The 100% RDA for Zinc is 15mg, and he took 400mg ALL AT ONCE! Zinc at high levels can be very toxic to the bloodstream, and I can pretty much GUARANTEE you that even if you were to spread the Zinc dosages throughout the course of the day, 400mgs is WAY WAY too much!!! Not only are you risking your health, you're making for lots of expensive urine as well. I wouldn't recommend any more then 75 mg a day TOPS (if not less then that), that's 500% the RDA, any more than that and you're just waisting it.

Also, these are not "over the counter drugs" as he said, Zinc and Magnesium are just minerals and L-Tyrosine is an amino acid. I would personally recommend that anyone who takes L-Tyrosine to take it in an amino acid "mixture", which contains other BCAA's (branched chain amino acids) because L-Tyrosine taken alone can cause one to feel a little wired and jittery, sorta like caffeine will do. And it IS OK to take aminos on an empty stomach, but vitamins/minerals should be taken with food.

One other VERY useful amino to consider for detox is L-Glutamine, which is the most abundant amino in muscle tissue. I swear by the stuff, it's the kind of thing to take after running a marathon, it repairs muscle tissue and restores the body like no other amino acid I've ever tried, so consider that as well! 5-15 grams a day, if not more, it's harmless for the most part.

I don't think the Magnesium or L-Tyrosine had anything to do with Chad's run-in with death, but I also think that the dosage recommended for the Magnesium was a little high. I'd say anywhere from 400-600 mgs (tops) is just fine, but I could be wrong. The only thing is: your body will use only what it needs, the rest goes out the pores or down the toilet.

Ok, time for bed, hope I'm not boring you all, thanks for reading if you lasted this far, I'm starting to bore myself now I think ;-)

-G

[jennyfla]

i wanted to quickly post, it's really really late so i will try to post more tomorrow.
I wanted to say that you are both doing FANTASTIC, and keep being strong and keep on going, it will get better.
Kristen, i'm not completely off the pills yet, although down much further... they say the 'lack of wanting to do anything' will go away over time.  You will get to a point where it gets easier and easier every day!
What was suggested by my husband is to try to walk, jog anything to work the toxins out as quickly as possible.  The more you move the faster and easier and better you will feel.  Plus, i believe exercise releases dopamine, or one of those brain chemicals that makes you feel happy and alive.
That would be the best suggestion i can give, and it really truly works too.  Even if you feel horrible, and no energy at all.  Try to run at night, that's what i like to do because it's so darn hot in Florida during the day.  Plus, i love to look up at the stars!!!
Good luck to you both.
Kristen, my personal email is ***@****
please email me, and we can talk, maybe even get on instant message and we can help support eachother one-on-one.  It's definately a challenge when you have young children.
Look me up, i have aol im just put jennyinfla in your buddy list, and it should come up.  I mean it, i'm here for you, there's no reason you should feel alone with this great bunch of people of this wonderful forum!
Good luck, we'll talk soon!
((HUGS))
Lv Jenny

[nightnurse]

Hi Jenny, I feel so bad for you and wish that I could come and help you out with the kids etc. I woke up this morning to a phone call from my boyfriend Joe who was crying because he flipped out last night and used. Chewed up a 40mg of oxy after 2 weeks of withdrawal and detox. I told him that I can't deal with him trying this detox on his own any more. He did the meth thing and now hes doing oxy again. I finally convinced him to go into a rehab. He is seeing the shrink tomorrow and hopefully will be in by Friday. I know how hard it must be for you. My kids are grown now but I remember the energy needed when they were small. My heart goes out to you and my prayers are with you. Keep the faith and remember how good you feel when you are clean and sober. Peace & Love