Startin Subutex

[freedom12]

what dosage of Subutex would someone need, when they do the transition from Heroin 1/1 half bags a day  just less than a quarter of a gram, the person is aware to remain clean of Opiates previously fro 24 hrs.. Thank u...  Also any helpful tips would be greatful thank u

[howlingwolf]

i was using nearly a gram a day when i hooked up with the charity in Leeds. And it was pretty good stuff too. I used to buy my meth on the street and just to kind of take a 'swig' when i needed it! So i was never sure what my meth habit was until they stabilised me. Once I ws down to about 30 mg , I think they started me on 8 mg of Subutex too. and maybe i went up to 10 before being reduced further. I was working at the time so it kept me busy and i don't remember suffering too much either... and i've always been  such a WUSS when i've had even a hint of sickness in the past...
Subutex is a lot CLEANER than gear (and methadone).... so it might be a TINY weird for a coupe of days without the protective haze, but it really ain't that bad.... every time i've cold turkeyed in the past, i didn't sleep at all for weeks and that was a major reason for me relapsing each time.... after coming off the subutex i was almost fine...

[LeaAnn807]

I was not on heroin.  I have never done heroin, but I have done some pills that are similar.  It was back in 2006 when I had the sub, but it was only started after a couple of days.  I mainly have only seen methadone used for heroin.  Not so much the sub.  

Here's what I would tell my friend to do if it were me.  With clonidine, it can be done.  Take as prescribed.  It will help the WDs a lot.  At least the big stuff.  I'm not saying it will be comfortable, but it will help.  The sub is a problem partly because it has to be detoxed from also, and it can be worse!!!  

It sounds like your friend has prepared by reducing the dose.  That is great.  With the clonidine, I would get:
Mag / Cal supplement
Gaotrade
Hylands Restful Legs
Advil
Soup and bland food
Nyquil for sleep, without decongestant

All those things can be found at drug or grocery stores.  Usually!!!  

I had a HUGE habit, and I did it with clonidine and the list I gave you!!!!

I applaud you for trying to help a friend!  They will need support!  Also, read the Thomas Recipe on the health pages!  Almost forgot that!!!

[freedom12]

Thank u so much, howling wolf, thats what Im asking for EXPERIENCE!! That has gave me so much hope, and as uve stated, the protocol when transitioning from Methadone to Sub is 30mls, well one "experienced Doc had changed someone over to Subs frm 45mls, talk abt set up to fail!!! and this was only last year, as u know subutex has bn abt 4 a gd few yrs now...  I just want to no if the amount of gear Ive stated 1- 1 and a half bags aday is nt too much to do the switch, I personally think it is considering the shite quality aswel

[freedom12]

Thanks 4 that Tramahater, He is wanting to do a quick taper, and Ive heard that this can be done quiet comfortably, and he does have clonidine, and is aware it reduces Blood pressure, and has got a monitor, he has been planning this 4 a long time, and has reduced his habit over the last few weeks, as the lower the habit the "easier it is" just wondering if well under a quarter of a gram is low enough, to do the transition.. If u dont mind me askin u Tramahater, what was ur habit when u started the transition, and how long did u wait, and what was ur first dose... Many thanks  x

[howlingwolf]

ps. i'm in the UK!!

[howlingwolf]

i was on heroin for 14 years... and managed to acquire a methadone habit during this time too... about 50 mg a day.. anyway, after many, many attempts to give up (including naltexone implants) and FINALLY went to a local drug charity. They stabilised my methadone and reduced me to 30 mg within a month (the maximum you can be using before transferring to subutex) and then transferred me to subutex. It was pretty painless too. Bit of trouble sleeping and that wads about it. i was amazed. i then reduced the subutex over a month and then was clean!. That was just over two years ago and i've been clean since. honestly, it can be done. good luck.