"Very excited, need advice"

[road2recovery]

For anyone who can help me with this or just give me some opinons, i am open minded, so please tell me exactly what u think i should do...OK---I just had a visitor...I would not say she is a friend of mine, but more of someone i purcharsed pills from...When i stopped doing pills, she called and told me her and her husband had some if i needed..Well i told her that i was not interested anymore and was getting clean...Well a few days later she called again, i then didnt' answer and blocked the number...I later found out that her husband had been arrested...I freaked because it could of been me buying from him at the time...anyway he is still in jail....I have not heard of seen from her since then...Well she drove up here, and knocked on my door and at first i didnt' want to let her in, but my gut told me i had too...So she came  in and told me she had went to church the last sunday and she saw me and she saw how good i looked...now at this point she is crying..she looked terrible..SO she told me that she wanted to get clean and needed help...all of her family gave up on her, and she has no one..She asked me how i did it, etc...Now then i asked her what she was on and how much...TO my surprise, since i only bought lortabs from them, she said oxy's....And she is taking 2 to 3 80 a day....She said she started trying to just take lortabs and kind of goes back and forth...She tried to taper and could not......She tried calling some detox state run programs and they are full and waiting list is long....I asked her if she has ever heard of sub, she said yes, but she knew someone who is in a methadone clinic and she thought it was the same thing....and scared of that...
Okay my question is, she has money to go to a sub doctor, what do you that are on sub or have did sub think about this??  oh and she has been using for at least 7 yrs everyday...
I asked her to be totally honest with me with everything she is taking....She said she is taking zoloft, and valium...besides the opiates....
I really want to help this girl, but what route to you think she should go????
She has a job, and has 2 children, that are 13, 15....
I do not want to associate to much with her because just seeing her set off a craving, ERRRRRRRR!!!!  But the good news is after talking to her, I had no more cravings and thanked god for me being clean today...
She is not asking me for money, or to stay here, just how to get clean....She said she knows she needs meeting after, and is willing to do whatever it takes...She said she just can't handle the w/d's....
Any suggestions?????
thanks'
r2r

[cathy5841]

that is wonderful news r2r.  and i will keep praying.  you are a great person.
luv ya
cathy

[road2recovery]

Just wanted to give an update, this afternoon i was out in the yard with the kids, she drove up and i waved for her to come see.., because at first it looked like she was going to drive away, well she got out of her car, and the kids were playing baseball...I went sit on the porch and she came sit by me with a smile on her face...She told me thanks for all the information i printed out,  she said when she started reading she could not stop....She was so excited...Anyway, she has an appt with one of the sub doctors that i wrote down on mon.  She also said that her insurance was going to pay for it, and once she called and told her situation, that the whole process and price includes a counsouler, etc....She looked so good..She didnt' stay long, but before she left she went back in the car and came out with an envelope..Well i just opened it, and it was a beautifull card...OMG- i cried when i read it...So all i can say is PLEASE say a prayer for her....She is trying and to me that is all that counts....She also told me that her brother gave her a computer and she is waiting to get internet, and can't wait to join us here......She told me that she reread so many pages i printed from the forum , and could not beleive the love and support here, and thought that for the rest of her life no one would understand ...
SO thanks to everyone, and i will keep u updated!!!
r2r

[road2recovery]

U are right, i told her to let me know what she decides to do and the only thing i wrote on a paper was to be 100%honest to whatever doc she chooses...Then i wrote the link to this forum....And i am done......SO we will see what happens...I did everything i could....and it really felt good, thanks guys.. for all the pms , and advice....
r2r

[cathy5841]

what a good friend you are.  the rest will be up to her.

[road2recovery]

Thanks, ok. i have a stack so big...LOL she is at work, i called her at work and told her i put everything in 3 envelopes with her name on it....And i put it in her mailbox..I think i may take the computer for granted ...It is wierd how some people have no idea about sub, or any kind of taper plan, nothing...Anyway we talked a while and i also told her i put numbers for sub doctors around here that can take her right now...because i called lol
Now she is taking off of work ( an early lunch) and going get it and read it...Then i told her she needs a computer,,, she said her brother has one that he said she can use, i want her to come to this forum so bad lol.SO we will see...Thanks guys
r2r

[wait2long]

Hey sweetie...if there is anything i can do to help you gather info for her for the sub...please let me know, anytime...i have a lot or resources saved as far as information goes...
she is definatly a good candidate for sub..thats a long term addiction, with her dose on the severe side. no detox available because of the USUAL waiting list..and she wants and needs help now.  i highly recommend it to her. also due to the fact that she has tried other avenues on her own and failed...she needs help and your awesome to offer what you could hun...but if you need more info please let me know...
your awesome R2R!!!
much love,
W2L

[NautyOne]

:-x

[vikeaddict]

You are doing the right thing i would do the same. Just becareful for yourself and your sobriety. I have been an addict for many years and have relapsed many times but i have been taking sub for week so far and i have been feeling much better. It's different for everyone but the sub was my last hope. Aftercare is so important because the sub will help her not go through w/d but she will have to learn how to restructure her whole way of thinking as you know.
Good luck!
Rachael

[cathy5841]

r2r, you are doing the right thing...she is very lucky to have friend like you.

[road2recovery]

IF u dont' have anything postive to say , then PLEASE dont' say anything at all!!!!

She did not ask me for money....I am trying to help someone...SOMETHING u know nothing about...SO stay the H e l l  off my post unless you have something positive to say!!!!

[road2recovery]

well i printed everything i could possibly get together, and i will give it to her...i will let her decide on her own...I think she is probably using more then she is telling me, so i do think sub may be her route...But that will be her choice...
I hope she can do this!!
Thanks for all the advice, i truly appriciate it!!!
r2r

[flmagi]

If she feels she can't do the taper or cold turkey, then Suboxone is a good option. Better to do that than continue on the drugs. This girl is obviously wanting help. Tell her to go to ****.com and find doctors in her area. Check prices with a few of them because they can be very different. It really doesn't matter if shes not telling you the full truth about what shes useing or how much, we all know the shame we feel when first admitting our problem to others. She'll need to be truthful to the doctor though.
This is a great thing haveing someone come to you for help, recognizeing you have done it and wanting that for themselves. You never know whos lives you might touch and help just by example. Perhaps another life saved.
If you have any other questions about the Suboxone, PM me anytime and I'll get back to you as soon as I can.
Good Luck

[NautyOne]

" I don't want to be naive"  you said it......not me.   You might as well ask for your money back too...........

[worried878]

You should feel good...she is lucky to have known to turn to you for help :)

[road2recovery]

opi----LMAO, that is a good idea....
avis, toxic,beenthere, thanks....Well, the darn helper in me has just called 3 sub doctors , and they can all take her next week if she chooses..

Ok, now that is if she is being honest with me about the amount....I will give print everything out, give it a day, to get everything together, but now that opi said he had that much by 10...Not sure if i beleive her...But i am thinking why would she drive here to lie??
not ask for money? or a place to stay?
i don't want to be naive in this.....But i feel good about it.
r2r

[avisg]

You are such I giving person .Willing to help and be there for others :) .Just plz be careful I could totally see how seeing her might set off cravings . There is nothing wrong with helping her find info on sub I think that is great .It will help her be informed with whatever decision he decides to do.Take care of you ...........
:)

[road2recovery]

yea , my first thing was get on the forum, she was like what are you talking about???
LOL.....SO when she left i told her i would get some info, and then i would get in touch with her, because i still have her blocked...yes, i know, i will do my best to help her, but also not get to involved....
She told me that the she has stopped before right when he went to jail but the cravings are so bad that she keeps getting back on , to more and more...
That is why i was thinking sub, with some counsouling....

new--thanks, i get what u are saying...And i have to say, after talking to her i really fetl very strong about staying clean....She really looked bad, and i know if i would of continued i would be right there too...
r2r

[opi]

i would see if she could just do a detox somewhere for 7 days to get over the hump....are there big waiting lines in the states for that?....i would have that many oxy's in me by 10 am so she could just try cold turkey if she has it in her...how much of your tiime and energy are you willing to give her?....telll her to read some stuff on this forum,,,she probably does not know how much of a plague it is,,,plus all the free advice from pill poopin pro's.......hope she does herself right,,,,watch your own back in the meantime,,,if it were me i'd be saying,,,,well hon,,,what you do is bring all your stash here and i'll help you tapper...once i got her stash i'd say....welcome to day one cold turkey and slam he door...hehehehehehehehhe....  joke..k...joke

[beenthere125]

ahh...I was busy typing away while you were responding...I guess having no computer leaves coming on here out of the picture. :( lol!

[beenthere125]

Wow...that's a pretty awesome story. It's always a great feeling when you know that your strength can inspire someone else. In that sense...geez...you've already helped her! lol! I think the best way for you to deal with it is by telling her your story and, as you've already done, tell her about the different places she can go and medications that can help. She has to want to do this on her own...and because you're still battling your own demons...you need to worry about you right now. Opening the door for her in the first place is more than most would have done in your situation. Obviously...if she has the internet...coming here would be a great start for her.
It's a tricky one...but I probably wouldn't get 'too' involved. Especially when you know she triggers your desire to use. Not really much anyone could say to advise you...it's gonna be up to you in the end.
Hope this helps somewhat,
Melanie :)

[newmanagment]

all i can tell ya hon, is i stay clean by helpin others. it is a temptation, and if ya feel that way bounce outta that situation. but i know EVERY time i help someone with coke, pills, heroin or any addiction, it seems to step me even further from my own addiction! ya know i cant help with the sub. advice, but i can  tell ya your a great person, and an awesome friend...much love

[toxictome]

You did your good deed for the day!
I would say taper off of the lorcets or oxys...
Did you tell her about this forum? Have her come on here and read.
You can give her the options...and let her decide what she wants to do..if she has a 13 & 15 yo...she needs to be functional since her husband is in jail..so taper of some sort..
Good Luck!!.

[road2recovery]

thanks, yes it was tough when i saw her!!  it was an instant craving in my mind...but after talking to her it went away, and still has not returned..WEW!!!

I appriciate your inputs....Oh something i forgot...She does snort them and i have have never done oxy or snorted, so i have no idea if that makes a difference, but i want to put everything out here...She does not have access to a computer so i was planning on printing out everything on sub, everyones advice here, and then some things on the journals....what ya'll think?

[kimmiek]

Congrats to you for coming so far.  I bet for you to see her can really help you see how far you have come.  And for her to come to you asking for help, shows how far you have come, too! She sees hope in you and that is so cool.

She is going to have to go thru some wds.  It does stink, but thats just the way it is. Shes been using for quite a while.  2 to 3 80 oxy a day can definately be done.  There are lots of people on here that have been in way over that.  Maybe if she doesnt want to wean down with the loratabs, she should go the sub route.  It just seems like shed be better off in the long run if she tapered off the oxy using loratab, since its not time released and she could take it in a steady schedule. It would keep her out of horrible wds. and ease her into less and less opiates? Well, that is my idea, dont know how good it is though.  But I just really wanted to tell you how great it is that the people around you can see the changed in you!!  God bless you!!