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A Real Problem or The Power of The Mind?
Hello,
I think this is the right spot for my post as I have been suffering from anxiety, paranoia and being generally nervous since last oct.
I have posted here before in the 'STI' section and the reason for my upset, I became very upset with worry about HIV for some time, had 3tests over 4months and have been told that I'm all clear and the GUM (I'm in the UK) are not concerned about me.
The reason for my ongoing anxiety is the fact I have been suffering from an upset tongue since mid dec (dark red, sore looking down the middle with dry fuzzy feeling) which has since turned to oral thrush (I have white patches on/down the middle of the surface of the tongue with the dry fuzzy feeling) in the last 2months or so. One reason for these problems could be a 1week course of strong antibiotics I took about 3months ago (3tabs, 4times a day= 12tabs a day), once I finished them the tongue issue started and has continued to date, but I took them 3months ago, could my tongue have been that badly affected?
Just recently in the last week I have had a sore red patch on my upper gums at the back of my mouth (above the back teeth) which has now turned into a small ulcer type spot. I realise it could be an ulcer but I've never had one last a week and my gums above my back teeth were quite red and sore looking before this happened, its the same on the other side too but not too bad and just a sore patch, no ulcer type spot on the other side yet.
Basically this isn't helping my mental health and I'm really very anxious and nervous with worry about whats going on and why I have these problems. Could this all be simply the power of my mind and I'm running down my own immune system with constant worry!!? is it possible that the power of the mind can do this and cause such symptoms!!??
One thing has led to another ever since last oct when I started getting odd symptoms which led me to worry about HIV even though I now know I was never really at risk (recieved unprotected oral sex from women on 3occasions). I want to get on with my life but I can't shake these problems and I'm terrified I may have mouth cancer or even HIV still....I can't help it, if the problems weren't here I wouldn't worry...simple.
I have been advised by the health adviser at the GUM clinic that its very possible that its all mental and I'm doing it myself but I really need other peoples advice and knowledge here, more opinions would be helpful :) thanku.
I think this is the right spot for my post as I have been suffering from anxiety, paranoia and being generally nervous since last oct.
I have posted here before in the 'STI' section and the reason for my upset, I became very upset with worry about HIV for some time, had 3tests over 4months and have been told that I'm all clear and the GUM (I'm in the UK) are not concerned about me.
The reason for my ongoing anxiety is the fact I have been suffering from an upset tongue since mid dec (dark red, sore looking down the middle with dry fuzzy feeling) which has since turned to oral thrush (I have white patches on/down the middle of the surface of the tongue with the dry fuzzy feeling) in the last 2months or so. One reason for these problems could be a 1week course of strong antibiotics I took about 3months ago (3tabs, 4times a day= 12tabs a day), once I finished them the tongue issue started and has continued to date, but I took them 3months ago, could my tongue have been that badly affected?
Just recently in the last week I have had a sore red patch on my upper gums at the back of my mouth (above the back teeth) which has now turned into a small ulcer type spot. I realise it could be an ulcer but I've never had one last a week and my gums above my back teeth were quite red and sore looking before this happened, its the same on the other side too but not too bad and just a sore patch, no ulcer type spot on the other side yet.
Basically this isn't helping my mental health and I'm really very anxious and nervous with worry about whats going on and why I have these problems. Could this all be simply the power of my mind and I'm running down my own immune system with constant worry!!? is it possible that the power of the mind can do this and cause such symptoms!!??
One thing has led to another ever since last oct when I started getting odd symptoms which led me to worry about HIV even though I now know I was never really at risk (recieved unprotected oral sex from women on 3occasions). I want to get on with my life but I can't shake these problems and I'm terrified I may have mouth cancer or even HIV still....I can't help it, if the problems weren't here I wouldn't worry...simple.
I have been advised by the health adviser at the GUM clinic that its very possible that its all mental and I'm doing it myself but I really need other peoples advice and knowledge here, more opinions would be helpful :) thanku.
You can do two things before going to a doctor and KNOWING it's not just in your mind. The state can help out with both if you don't have the money. Trying these things first will help you KNOW that it's not in your head, and also keep you from getting medications you most likely don't need.
Therapy and natural tips/techniques are the two things you want to try first. It actually don't take that long to control panic/anxiety attacks if both two things are done. It took me three weeks to go from intense life changing panic attacks that sent me into derealization and depersonalization to controlling my panic to where I hardly ever have them, even after 4 years.
I will copy/paste the tips/techniques that I used to control my panic disorder and as I said, if you don't have the income to pay for a therapist, your state will be able to help you out. They helped me and it only cost me $20.00 a session and was worth every penny and more.
Please keep us posted and good luck. Feel free to message me if you have any questions.
Ok, there are pre panic tips and full panic tips.
Let's start with the pre panic tips.
A rubber band around the wrist can help if you use it before the anxiety turns into an anxiety attack. As soon as you start to feel weird you snap the rubber band onto your wrist. For some people, this can "snap" (pun intended) them out of going into the anxiety or panic attack.
When you start to feel the anxiety coming on, think of the most odd thoughts you possibly can. Wonder what a star would look like if it were really a circle in disquise.......how many cattapilars would it take to reach from the earth to saturn if they were drinking caffine. Distracting your thoughts with such bizaare thinking will redirect your mind from getting worse.
Sit down on a bench or chair, put your head between your legs, and force yourself to breathe in deeply, and breathe out deeply. It's when the breathing gets to short and quick that the panic gets worse. At first you might feel like you can't do it, but with practice, you can.
If you wear correctional glasses, take them off. For some reason sight plays into some peoples anxiety problems.
Ok, now for when you are in an actual panic attack.
Cold water on the face, forehead, neck, and wrists can help calm the anxiety or panic down. If it's cold enough, it's kind of like shocking you out of the attack.
To add to the cold water technique, if you are in full blown panic attack, find ice as soon as you can, put it into some kind of rag or cloth, wet it, and rub it all over your head, face, neck, and behind your ears. Again, the cold shocks the mind out of the anxiety.
Here are some tips to prevent the anxiety and or panic attacks.
Stay away from caffine, as a rule, it is the MAIN reason people suffer from anxiety disorder and panic disorder.
Surround yourself with comedy whenever you start to feel off. Laughter is another technique that can fool the brain into concentrating somewhere else.
Keep a herbal tea you made handy when you are out and about. If you want, as long as you make sure it is safe for you, I will send you some "calm down" recipies that are 100% natural and legal.
Also, there are disposable instant cold packs you can buy from 99 cent stores to use for the cold, this makes it easy to find relief when driving, at work, or some other place a sink is not always available.
Therapy and natural tips/techniques are the two things you want to try first. It actually don't take that long to control panic/anxiety attacks if both two things are done. It took me three weeks to go from intense life changing panic attacks that sent me into derealization and depersonalization to controlling my panic to where I hardly ever have them, even after 4 years.
I will copy/paste the tips/techniques that I used to control my panic disorder and as I said, if you don't have the income to pay for a therapist, your state will be able to help you out. They helped me and it only cost me $20.00 a session and was worth every penny and more.
Please keep us posted and good luck. Feel free to message me if you have any questions.
Ok, there are pre panic tips and full panic tips.
Let's start with the pre panic tips.
A rubber band around the wrist can help if you use it before the anxiety turns into an anxiety attack. As soon as you start to feel weird you snap the rubber band onto your wrist. For some people, this can "snap" (pun intended) them out of going into the anxiety or panic attack.
When you start to feel the anxiety coming on, think of the most odd thoughts you possibly can. Wonder what a star would look like if it were really a circle in disquise.......how many cattapilars would it take to reach from the earth to saturn if they were drinking caffine. Distracting your thoughts with such bizaare thinking will redirect your mind from getting worse.
Sit down on a bench or chair, put your head between your legs, and force yourself to breathe in deeply, and breathe out deeply. It's when the breathing gets to short and quick that the panic gets worse. At first you might feel like you can't do it, but with practice, you can.
If you wear correctional glasses, take them off. For some reason sight plays into some peoples anxiety problems.
Ok, now for when you are in an actual panic attack.
Cold water on the face, forehead, neck, and wrists can help calm the anxiety or panic down. If it's cold enough, it's kind of like shocking you out of the attack.
To add to the cold water technique, if you are in full blown panic attack, find ice as soon as you can, put it into some kind of rag or cloth, wet it, and rub it all over your head, face, neck, and behind your ears. Again, the cold shocks the mind out of the anxiety.
Here are some tips to prevent the anxiety and or panic attacks.
Stay away from caffine, as a rule, it is the MAIN reason people suffer from anxiety disorder and panic disorder.
Surround yourself with comedy whenever you start to feel off. Laughter is another technique that can fool the brain into concentrating somewhere else.
Keep a herbal tea you made handy when you are out and about. If you want, as long as you make sure it is safe for you, I will send you some "calm down" recipies that are 100% natural and legal.
Also, there are disposable instant cold packs you can buy from 99 cent stores to use for the cold, this makes it easy to find relief when driving, at work, or some other place a sink is not always available.
The anti-biotics have by the sounds of things completely thrown your good bacteria in your stomach out of whack allowing Candida to run riot. You need to replace this good bacteria by taking a pro and pre biotic and to help kill the Candida think about taking a strong Garlic supplement something like 500mg of freeze dried. There is a product u can get in the UK called Eco-balance, which will put you right. Candida overgrowth can continue for years if it isn't treated so it doesn't surprise me in the slightest that 3 months later you are still suffering. Cut down on sugary foods, processed foods as these will prompt growth too. Have a look on the net regarding Candida overgrowth.
Thing is one symptom of Candida overgrowth is also Anxiety, it can cause severe nervousness. I personally feel there is a bit of both anxiety states going on, the candida is causing anxiety plus your mindset is too.
Treatment is over the course of a few months with the Candida supplements and by following a very healthy diet and I'm positive that within a week or two you will start to notice a calmer, more relaxed sensation within your body, which in turn will have a positive effect on your mind.
Thing is one symptom of Candida overgrowth is also Anxiety, it can cause severe nervousness. I personally feel there is a bit of both anxiety states going on, the candida is causing anxiety plus your mindset is too.
Treatment is over the course of a few months with the Candida supplements and by following a very healthy diet and I'm positive that within a week or two you will start to notice a calmer, more relaxed sensation within your body, which in turn will have a positive effect on your mind.
Plus just to add due to you experiencing severe health anxiety you really should also get urself into therapy, CBT (cognitve behavioural therapy), there is a new system called 'The complex non-psycotic team' which has just been introduced in the Uk, London. So it would be a positive step forward to get yourselve into therapy to address these fears.
P.s if the ab ove didn't quite make sense, sorry, am writing this from my mobile and is hard to re-read what is being written, so need to properly focus..lol
P.s if the ab ove didn't quite make sense, sorry, am writing this from my mobile and is hard to re-read what is being written, so need to properly focus..lol
NO! Not mouth cancer. Typical of anxious thinking...you're worrying about the worst case scenario.
Strong antibiotics can cause thrush, and some thrush is very difficult to get rid of (been there myself). There is a mouthwash (antifungal) called Nystatin that really works well in treatment of oral thrush. In stubborn cases, a person may need several courses of Nystatin, or other similar anti-fungal preparations to finally get rid of the thrush. I've seen patients on these anti-fungals for 2+ months before improvements are noticed. Severe cases of thrush are very painful, with irritations and ulcerated areas on the tongue, making eating and drinking extremely hard.
To confirm if this is what is going on, you need to see your doc, who will be able to treat the thrush.
As for the HIV, your tests are 100% conclusive, believe them. You DON'T have HIV. GUM clinics are excellent caretakers when it comes to STD prevention, testing, etc. They know what they're doing.
You need to see your doc to sort out your oral symptoms. I'd put money on it being a stubborn case of thrush caused by antibiotics.
Let us know.
Strong antibiotics can cause thrush, and some thrush is very difficult to get rid of (been there myself). There is a mouthwash (antifungal) called Nystatin that really works well in treatment of oral thrush. In stubborn cases, a person may need several courses of Nystatin, or other similar anti-fungal preparations to finally get rid of the thrush. I've seen patients on these anti-fungals for 2+ months before improvements are noticed. Severe cases of thrush are very painful, with irritations and ulcerated areas on the tongue, making eating and drinking extremely hard.
To confirm if this is what is going on, you need to see your doc, who will be able to treat the thrush.
As for the HIV, your tests are 100% conclusive, believe them. You DON'T have HIV. GUM clinics are excellent caretakers when it comes to STD prevention, testing, etc. They know what they're doing.
You need to see your doc to sort out your oral symptoms. I'd put money on it being a stubborn case of thrush caused by antibiotics.
Let us know.
Oh, I forgot to add, that if you DO indeed have thrush (dx'ed by a doc) and haven't been treated yet, most definitely it could be that severe, and still hanging around. Most cases of thrush require some sort of treatment to resolve. So, if you were just waiting it out, and you have thrush, that could easily explain the length of your symptoms, and the severity.
Again, you need a trip to your doc to rule in, or rule out thrush and go from there.
Again, you need a trip to your doc to rule in, or rule out thrush and go from there.
I have seen the doc about 3times with these probs ever since it started after the antibiotics, my tongue wasn't white then but dark red and sore looking with the fuzzy sensation (always had that), I was told it was fine but given Nystatin and it didn't work. I have since had Nystatin 3times and it did nothing and the docs still said it wasn't an issue :( although 2 occasions I saw docs at the walk in centre.
I'm seeing my main doc soon and I will mention these eco-balance tabs and that whole idea, believe me I'm gonna moan hehe
The ulcer/gums seem to be better today actually, I have been washing my mouth with warm salty water so that may have helped. Seeing dentist in a week so he can have a look too, I am due for a root canal as my front tooth has an infection due to the nerve being dead, any chance that may have a factor here??
I have been told it is thrush before but up to now people have just throw nystatin at me yet it hasn't worked, I think these proper supplements is what I need. The antibiotics were for cellulitis on my toes and I think it was a strong weeks course for sure, 12tabs a day!! penicillin I think, they made my urine smell of antibiotics too I remember, that nasty plastic smell, I do believe those damn things have virtually poisoned me.
I reckon I will be ok once these issues have gone, it has been the constant 'one after another' problem that has run me down whilst worrying about HIV at the same time. Something did happen to me last Oct when I started having minor headaches/dizzyness/hot numb feeling on my forehead, this is what started everything off and got me worrying about HIV even though I never did anything to catch it (I know now). Since then its been a string of things that have lead into each other but I still wonder what on earth happened to cause those symptoms in the first place as I was fine before. They seem to have gone now after about 5months but the worry really tore me up, once this mouth issue is cleared I can calm down....I'm trying now.
I'm seeing my main doc soon and I will mention these eco-balance tabs and that whole idea, believe me I'm gonna moan hehe
The ulcer/gums seem to be better today actually, I have been washing my mouth with warm salty water so that may have helped. Seeing dentist in a week so he can have a look too, I am due for a root canal as my front tooth has an infection due to the nerve being dead, any chance that may have a factor here??
I have been told it is thrush before but up to now people have just throw nystatin at me yet it hasn't worked, I think these proper supplements is what I need. The antibiotics were for cellulitis on my toes and I think it was a strong weeks course for sure, 12tabs a day!! penicillin I think, they made my urine smell of antibiotics too I remember, that nasty plastic smell, I do believe those damn things have virtually poisoned me.
I reckon I will be ok once these issues have gone, it has been the constant 'one after another' problem that has run me down whilst worrying about HIV at the same time. Something did happen to me last Oct when I started having minor headaches/dizzyness/hot numb feeling on my forehead, this is what started everything off and got me worrying about HIV even though I never did anything to catch it (I know now). Since then its been a string of things that have lead into each other but I still wonder what on earth happened to cause those symptoms in the first place as I was fine before. They seem to have gone now after about 5months but the worry really tore me up, once this mouth issue is cleared I can calm down....I'm trying now.
Seeing your dentist is definitely the next logical step, he'll be able to let you know if there is any difference in his opinion on the thrush diagnosis.
As I said, it IS entirely possible to have thrush that is difficult to get rid of and that doesn't respond to the anti-fungals. Basically, keep working with your docs and dentist. I would ask for an alternative Rx for thrush (there are many) and see if that helps.
Some people are much more prone to yeast infections from antibiotics and some have a HARD time getting rid of them. I'm one of the unfortunates who gets a yeast infection after only one or two doses of an antibiotic. I'll spare you the details on how my yeast infections differ from thrush (lol)...but you get the idea.
I had oral thrush a few times, but one occasion it was a bi*** to get rid of. And, it was severe. It was like my entire mouth (gums, tongue) were covered in ulcers. It was awful. It was VERY painful and made eating virtually impossible. After several go-rounds with the Nystatin, and a course of an oral anti-fungal, I finally got over it...but it was a good 2-3 months if not a little longer.
Hang in there...it's tough when these kids of things happen with such a battle to get better. Try to remember that anxiety can affect something like this as well, so try to address the anxiety as best as you can while you muddle through with the oral issues.
Good luck!
As I said, it IS entirely possible to have thrush that is difficult to get rid of and that doesn't respond to the anti-fungals. Basically, keep working with your docs and dentist. I would ask for an alternative Rx for thrush (there are many) and see if that helps.
Some people are much more prone to yeast infections from antibiotics and some have a HARD time getting rid of them. I'm one of the unfortunates who gets a yeast infection after only one or two doses of an antibiotic. I'll spare you the details on how my yeast infections differ from thrush (lol)...but you get the idea.
I had oral thrush a few times, but one occasion it was a bi*** to get rid of. And, it was severe. It was like my entire mouth (gums, tongue) were covered in ulcers. It was awful. It was VERY painful and made eating virtually impossible. After several go-rounds with the Nystatin, and a course of an oral anti-fungal, I finally got over it...but it was a good 2-3 months if not a little longer.
Hang in there...it's tough when these kids of things happen with such a battle to get better. Try to remember that anxiety can affect something like this as well, so try to address the anxiety as best as you can while you muddle through with the oral issues.
Good luck!
Thank you for yr help, the anxiety doesn't help for sure as I keep thinking there is an underlining reason for the problem..I can't help but think that u know :(
Luckily I don't think the thrush I have is very bad, my tongue is white near the back of my throat and down the middle but its like a sugar coating and quite thin looking, its not thick atall. I don't have any lesions or anything like that under the white layer so I can scrape it off and I don't get any blood or pain, its like a slight layer of translucent/pale skin that just comes off. I have had no other probs up to a week ago when the gums above my back teeth were sore and I had one ulcer which does seem better today as said. Its been this way for about 2months now but the fuzzy dry feeling and dark red issue has been around since dec.
On another note about the supplements eg.eco-balance, that does sound good, do you think its decent stuff? I will ask my doc, I'm always alittle unsure of medicine advertised online and only available online uknow, unsure if its good stuff, also I noticed it mentions freeze dried garlic as one of the 4tabs you take, this got me thinking...I remember a work mate saying he takes garlic tabs (along time ago this was), whats with garlic?? why/how does that help your bacteria balance? should I be taking garlic tabs right now??
I have taken seven seas cod liver oil tabs for afew yrs now and I have taken seven seas multibionta activate tabs here and there, are those maybe upsetting the balance now its upset from the antibiotics? should I stop with those and maybe take garlic tabs or take garlic tabs with those?
Luckily I don't think the thrush I have is very bad, my tongue is white near the back of my throat and down the middle but its like a sugar coating and quite thin looking, its not thick atall. I don't have any lesions or anything like that under the white layer so I can scrape it off and I don't get any blood or pain, its like a slight layer of translucent/pale skin that just comes off. I have had no other probs up to a week ago when the gums above my back teeth were sore and I had one ulcer which does seem better today as said. Its been this way for about 2months now but the fuzzy dry feeling and dark red issue has been around since dec.
On another note about the supplements eg.eco-balance, that does sound good, do you think its decent stuff? I will ask my doc, I'm always alittle unsure of medicine advertised online and only available online uknow, unsure if its good stuff, also I noticed it mentions freeze dried garlic as one of the 4tabs you take, this got me thinking...I remember a work mate saying he takes garlic tabs (along time ago this was), whats with garlic?? why/how does that help your bacteria balance? should I be taking garlic tabs right now??
I have taken seven seas cod liver oil tabs for afew yrs now and I have taken seven seas multibionta activate tabs here and there, are those maybe upsetting the balance now its upset from the antibiotics? should I stop with those and maybe take garlic tabs or take garlic tabs with those?
I just wanted to drop a line about the mouth ulcers - I get that as well when I get very stressed - like a rash of LARGE canker sores in strange places (ex. back of mouth between cheek and gum), and sore spots on the gum occasionally. I can't remember having injured my mouth in those areas, so as far as I can tell they are spontaneous. They are VERY painful and cause my whole neck to swell up and I can hardly eat!! They usually last about a week before they heal. This happens to me in very memorable episodes of about 3-4 times a year. Does this sound similar to what you're experiencing?
One thing that I try that seems to help sometimes (but takes time to work) is taking over the counter famotidine (Ex. Pepcid AC) regularly for a few days. I also flush the sores with hydrogen peroxide (which burns like @#$% but disinfects). Also trying not to drink acid-rich things like orange juice or cola which really aggravates it.
I have never gotten conclusive medical advice on them or whether the ulcers could be related to thrush but after reading this, I will ask my doctor, too. I take inhaled corticosteriods for asthma which can contribute to thrush spells. I did ask the dentist about this before, but since it didn't seem poor dental health was a contributor, he referred me back to my regular doctor.
One thing that I try that seems to help sometimes (but takes time to work) is taking over the counter famotidine (Ex. Pepcid AC) regularly for a few days. I also flush the sores with hydrogen peroxide (which burns like @#$% but disinfects). Also trying not to drink acid-rich things like orange juice or cola which really aggravates it.
I have never gotten conclusive medical advice on them or whether the ulcers could be related to thrush but after reading this, I will ask my doctor, too. I take inhaled corticosteriods for asthma which can contribute to thrush spells. I did ask the dentist about this before, but since it didn't seem poor dental health was a contributor, he referred me back to my regular doctor.
The ulcer I have is indeed between the cheek and gum, right in that meeting point at the very top at the back of the mouth, above the back teeth and its a b***h. Had it about a week now but it started as a red sore patch or area on the gum...odd.
Seems to feel like its getting better then it seems to come back abit....damn it!!!
Anyone know of these garlic tabs?? if they are good for my thrush issue :)
Seems to feel like its getting better then it seems to come back abit....damn it!!!
Anyone know of these garlic tabs?? if they are good for my thrush issue :)
Eco-balance is 4 different capsules taken over the course of the day, one is a strong pre and pro biotic, another is L-Glutamine an amino acid that repairs the intestinal lining that drugs such as strong anti-biotics can interfer with, another is the freexe dried garlic which is what kills the Candida that in the body (not just the intestines) and brings it back into control and lastly Cinnimon capsule that acts as a strong anti-oxidant, to clear the body of Candida toxins. Just to make you aware that oral thrush is Candida and seeing as traditional medicine hasn't worked so this kinda tells me you need to treat ur body as a whole and not just using mouth rinses to treat the localized area, You won't be able to get Eco-balance from your doctor as it is classed as a herbal supplement, but you can get it online... Just to let u know I have used this product before due to an over growth in my intestines (confirmed through a stool sample) and it made a difference to my general anxiety level and stopped the constant female thrush episodes that was occuring and digestion issue I was facing. You may need to take these supplements for a few month or longer but the results will be truely worth it.
google Eco-balance supplement as ur in the UK, it should come up on a herbalist web-site that sells loads of other supplements, it look a bit like the Holland and Barrett web-site, although H and B don't do this.
Plus as other people have told you it sounds extremely uinlikely to be mouth cancer, that is ur health anxiety doing its part there making u think the worst. As I mentioned before stop your sugar intake as well as its feeding the thrush and making it worse.
google Eco-balance supplement as ur in the UK, it should come up on a herbalist web-site that sells loads of other supplements, it look a bit like the Holland and Barrett web-site, although H and B don't do this.
Plus as other people have told you it sounds extremely uinlikely to be mouth cancer, that is ur health anxiety doing its part there making u think the worst. As I mentioned before stop your sugar intake as well as its feeding the thrush and making it worse.
OK well I went to my GP today and he said he doesn't think there is anything wrong with my tongue, he reckoned the white/pale area is normal and its probably the red sore area near the front of the tongue surface that makes it look white in contrast, this does comply with what afew others have told me but it also contradicts what my other GP told me afew weeks ago (my GP has about 3docs that I see). He said its glossitis and gave me Difflam which is an oral rinse, I haven't actually used an oral rinse yet only Nystatin for fungal probs which he knows about. He also said to go to my dentist to see what he thinks...I am doing so in a weeks time. It does seem like just peoples opinions as one doc told me it can take months for yr system to sort itself out whilst the doc today said he didn't think it should last 3months after taking the antibiotics....I'm waiting for a check at ENT (ear, nose, throat) at the hospital also, they should be able to give a definite view I hope.
I'm curious about this eco-balance but unsure to use it as I'm not sure if thats what I really need, I know you can get garlic tabs/supplements at the chemist and shops, should I maybe try taking them? I do take cod liver oil tabs but you think I should maybe try something I can buy at the chemist before the eco-balance?
I have also been eating the probiotic yoghurts for some time now too, dunno if they are any good.
I'm curious about this eco-balance but unsure to use it as I'm not sure if thats what I really need, I know you can get garlic tabs/supplements at the chemist and shops, should I maybe try taking them? I do take cod liver oil tabs but you think I should maybe try something I can buy at the chemist before the eco-balance?
I have also been eating the probiotic yoghurts for some time now too, dunno if they are any good.
Julie: what do you think about seven seas cod liver oil and seven seas multibionta activate tabs? I have been taking cod liver oil for afew yrs and have taken the multibionta tabs just once (one little tub, probably about 30days worth). You reckon these are good? do you think separate garlic tabs will be any good?
I'm really thinking about eco-balance but I'm still alittle unsure as its an online only thing you know...dunno if its 'proper' or not, you know what I mean right.
I wanna see what the dentist thinks first as he will really be able to get a good look n feel around hehe
I'm really thinking about eco-balance but I'm still alittle unsure as its an online only thing you know...dunno if its 'proper' or not, you know what I mean right.
I wanna see what the dentist thinks first as he will really be able to get a good look n feel around hehe
Well the Cod Liver oil can't do u any harm, it is a sorce of Omega 3 so may help with ur anxiety. Omega 3 is good in general. Plus the muti-bionia will help to boost ur immune and nervous system, so again good. If u don't want to initally try the eco-balance (which is legit, I've taken it) u could go to Holland and Barretts, they have both garlic capsules and Acidophlius (which is a pro biotic) and will help. I would suggest though if u do decide to go to H and B having a good chat with the trained staff who will be able to advise u on the best products in ur price range.
The multibionta has all the probiotic stuff which is good, I will look for a H n B, I'm in south London so should find one. What do you reckon to these probiotic yogurts? I've been eating these for awhile now but unsure if they are just a gimmick.
I am really interested in the eco-balance but alittle unsure if the cinnamon parts might upset me as I have a nut allergy and cinnamon doesn't agree with me too well, also unsure about the shrimp shell bit....I'm alittle prone to certain things upsetting me hehe must have delicate insides hehe kiwi's upset me too for some reason. Are you sure eco isn't for just for people with yeast infections? I know men can get that down below as women do but I don't have that issue.
What do you reckon to the docs opinion? I've had one doc tell me it can take months for this sort of thing to sort itself out yet another tell me it shouldn't really last this long, dunno if one is just trying to calm me down maybe.
I am really interested in the eco-balance but alittle unsure if the cinnamon parts might upset me as I have a nut allergy and cinnamon doesn't agree with me too well, also unsure about the shrimp shell bit....I'm alittle prone to certain things upsetting me hehe must have delicate insides hehe kiwi's upset me too for some reason. Are you sure eco isn't for just for people with yeast infections? I know men can get that down below as women do but I don't have that issue.
What do you reckon to the docs opinion? I've had one doc tell me it can take months for this sort of thing to sort itself out yet another tell me it shouldn't really last this long, dunno if one is just trying to calm me down maybe.
I personally have been told by a few colleagues that the yogurts aren't all that effective, especially if you're trying to "fix" a problem. To maintain a certain level of "normalcy", maybe they would work. It's the same concept as the idea that cranberry juice is the cure-all for urinary issues. Several Urologists I've asked said that a person would have to drink literally gallons of the stuff a day for it to make any difference. I think the same probably applies to the yogurt.
Personally, if you enjoy yogurt, then eat it....it is good for you, despite what may or may not be true of the extensiveness of the probiotic qualities.
Some people swear by certain things...if it works for someone, I am all for it...but just not a substitute to seeking medical help when a symptom arises.
Personally, if you enjoy yogurt, then eat it....it is good for you, despite what may or may not be true of the extensiveness of the probiotic qualities.
Some people swear by certain things...if it works for someone, I am all for it...but just not a substitute to seeking medical help when a symptom arises.
^ Good reply, I agree, I'm on the probiotic multibionta tabs right now, see how that goes for afew months and I'm gonna try and find a good garlic supplement too (any suggestions welcome), keeping that eco-balance in mind too just incase.
Couple questions, I have been taking cod liver oil tabs for afew yrs now but I've always wondered whats the best way to take them, I have always had a small bite to eat then take the tab with a cold drink straight after so not on an empty stomach (normally at lunchtime as thats when I get up as I work nights), that ok? the food doesn't take anything away from the tabs effectiveness right?
Also....can you take two different types of supplement on the same day or at the same time? eg. if I take a probiotic tab can I take a garlic tab straight after? or maybe later in the day?
Is it possible to over intake on vitamins, probiotics, minerals etc...?
At the mo my tongue is white/pale at the very back and down the middle but not all the way to the end (on the surface). But the lower half and up the sides abit (on the surface) is very red and sore looking (in an almost semi circle shape at the bottom of the tongue) and this is where I get the fuzzy dry tingly sensation, its a 50/50 situation hehe
Doc reckoned the white area was normal but looked bad as the red area was very red in contrast...I'm confused, I dunno wether my tongue is too red or too white, maybe the dentist can shed some light on it.
Couple questions, I have been taking cod liver oil tabs for afew yrs now but I've always wondered whats the best way to take them, I have always had a small bite to eat then take the tab with a cold drink straight after so not on an empty stomach (normally at lunchtime as thats when I get up as I work nights), that ok? the food doesn't take anything away from the tabs effectiveness right?
Also....can you take two different types of supplement on the same day or at the same time? eg. if I take a probiotic tab can I take a garlic tab straight after? or maybe later in the day?
Is it possible to over intake on vitamins, probiotics, minerals etc...?
At the mo my tongue is white/pale at the very back and down the middle but not all the way to the end (on the surface). But the lower half and up the sides abit (on the surface) is very red and sore looking (in an almost semi circle shape at the bottom of the tongue) and this is where I get the fuzzy dry tingly sensation, its a 50/50 situation hehe
Doc reckoned the white area was normal but looked bad as the red area was very red in contrast...I'm confused, I dunno wether my tongue is too red or too white, maybe the dentist can shed some light on it.
U know James, it seems that no matter what anyone advises you it is not good enough. Both myself and nursegirl have given you some real pearls of wisdom and yet u question every word of it. Its not just us but u question ur doctors, ur dentist and it just seems to me that u will never truely be satified with anything anyone says. I feel like we are wasting our time.
If u take anything from this thread then take this piece of information, go to your doctor and get a referral to see a psychologist and sort out your trust issues and health anxiety. Otherwise u are simply going to spend the rest of your life like a dog chhasing it tail and getting no where.
I hope for ur sake u listen to that piece of advice and now I shall bit you a fond fare well and hope u do the right thing.
If u take anything from this thread then take this piece of information, go to your doctor and get a referral to see a psychologist and sort out your trust issues and health anxiety. Otherwise u are simply going to spend the rest of your life like a dog chhasing it tail and getting no where.
I hope for ur sake u listen to that piece of advice and now I shall bit you a fond fare well and hope u do the right thing.
A huge problem with hypochondria is that the person is unable to trust when someone says things "look normal". There is always that hidden problem that goes uncaught (this is how the hypochondriac sees it) and it's the one that will take them down.
The way I do it, so I can keep as healthy of a balance as possible, is to understand that blood tests are like 99% accurate and it's extremely rare that a person is that 1%. When I have a physical evaluation that involves no tests of blood, saliva, urine, or stool, it's on me to either trust the doctor or not. The way I look at it, is if the doctor listens to me (I don't mean agrees with everything I say or just shakes their head yes. I mean when I can tell the doctor is caring about my concerns and addresses them, regardless if I have a real worry or not) then chances are, I feel like I can trust them. So if I explain the issues I feel I might have, and they address them, I feel I can trust them. If they say I look normal, that I don't have any problems, I take their word for it. I have come a LONG way regarding my hypochondria. I used to be so bad that all I would have to do is read about an illness and then convince myself I have the illness.
James, if you find a doctor that addresses your issues, regardless if they say there is something wrong or not, chances are that you can trust him/her. Now then, if your doctor dosen't listen to your concerns, it's time for a new doctor, not just because of you trusting their word, but because for people like you and I to be able to control our hypochondria we need to feel that safety and trust or we can never get grip on our illness (hypochondria). If you feel your current doctor is not addressing every single health issue you have (you pay them money, therefore, to the people who say it's a waste of time, I say that if you pay for a service, you should get that service to your satisfaction excluding letting the hypochondria take control), then it's time to get a different doctor. If you are not satisfied with your current doctor and just keep going, then, you are wasting your time and his/her time.
Something that helps to start getting a control over your issue is to read up on how to stay healthy (vitamins, exercise, and proper diet) and for the time being, STAY AWAY from learning about new illnesses. When you don't have control over your hypochondria, going over illnesses is the worst thing just about.
It's true though, when you ask for help and shoot down any and all advice, people will wonder what it is that you really want. This site has a lot of people who will give support and information, but when they try and it seems they cannot give help, it becomes frustrating.
The way I do it, so I can keep as healthy of a balance as possible, is to understand that blood tests are like 99% accurate and it's extremely rare that a person is that 1%. When I have a physical evaluation that involves no tests of blood, saliva, urine, or stool, it's on me to either trust the doctor or not. The way I look at it, is if the doctor listens to me (I don't mean agrees with everything I say or just shakes their head yes. I mean when I can tell the doctor is caring about my concerns and addresses them, regardless if I have a real worry or not) then chances are, I feel like I can trust them. So if I explain the issues I feel I might have, and they address them, I feel I can trust them. If they say I look normal, that I don't have any problems, I take their word for it. I have come a LONG way regarding my hypochondria. I used to be so bad that all I would have to do is read about an illness and then convince myself I have the illness.
James, if you find a doctor that addresses your issues, regardless if they say there is something wrong or not, chances are that you can trust him/her. Now then, if your doctor dosen't listen to your concerns, it's time for a new doctor, not just because of you trusting their word, but because for people like you and I to be able to control our hypochondria we need to feel that safety and trust or we can never get grip on our illness (hypochondria). If you feel your current doctor is not addressing every single health issue you have (you pay them money, therefore, to the people who say it's a waste of time, I say that if you pay for a service, you should get that service to your satisfaction excluding letting the hypochondria take control), then it's time to get a different doctor. If you are not satisfied with your current doctor and just keep going, then, you are wasting your time and his/her time.
Something that helps to start getting a control over your issue is to read up on how to stay healthy (vitamins, exercise, and proper diet) and for the time being, STAY AWAY from learning about new illnesses. When you don't have control over your hypochondria, going over illnesses is the worst thing just about.
It's true though, when you ask for help and shoot down any and all advice, people will wonder what it is that you really want. This site has a lot of people who will give support and information, but when they try and it seems they cannot give help, it becomes frustrating.
I don't get how you guys have come up with these replies, in my last post I simply asked about taking supplements and the best way to take them eg. with or without food, two types in one day.
I like Nursegirl's reply about the yogurts and I can see what she means, as I said I agree with that.
I mention about my tongue as it is now and the what the doc said BUT I've had two different anwsers from two docs which contradict each other so I'm kinda stuck in the middle, I'm seeing my dentist next week as my docs instruction to do so.
So how/why are you both accusing me of not listening to advice!? where did that come from?
I wouldn't say I'm a hypochondriac I just feel/know something is wrong but I feel that its going un-noticed.
I like Nursegirl's reply about the yogurts and I can see what she means, as I said I agree with that.
I mention about my tongue as it is now and the what the doc said BUT I've had two different anwsers from two docs which contradict each other so I'm kinda stuck in the middle, I'm seeing my dentist next week as my docs instruction to do so.
So how/why are you both accusing me of not listening to advice!? where did that come from?
I wouldn't say I'm a hypochondriac I just feel/know something is wrong but I feel that its going un-noticed.
I get what you are saying, and sadly because of how society treats illnesses, when someone says hypochondria, it means you are some psycho at home with tin foil on their head wondering when the next person will give them avian bird flu. Your posts and the words you use show that you most likely do have hypochondria. It could be from your anxiety, or, your anxiety could be from it.
I'm not a doctor or psychiatrist. You could very well NOT be a hypochondriac. I see what you are saying. If you had a third doctor check you out, it would make three, and if you told this third doctor that you have a problem with the first two diagnosis from your other doctors because you don't like that one says it's normal, the other don't, it will help him/her understand why you are acting the way you are.
I apologize if it seems like I am insulting you. I could have it all wrong.
I'm not a doctor or psychiatrist. You could very well NOT be a hypochondriac. I see what you are saying. If you had a third doctor check you out, it would make three, and if you told this third doctor that you have a problem with the first two diagnosis from your other doctors because you don't like that one says it's normal, the other don't, it will help him/her understand why you are acting the way you are.
I apologize if it seems like I am insulting you. I could have it all wrong.
James, you have had not just one but 3 HIV tests, you became convinced you had mouth cancer, you dont trust what your G.U.M doctors or G.P doctors are telling you, i even doubt that when you are indeed seen by your Dentist you will actually fully trust the advice he/she will give you.
Plus the reason as to why you like the advise nursegirl has given you is because you choose to 'Pick out the little bits you like and actually Hear'.... but in actual fact Nursegirl has clearly said that she has been told that pro-biotics yogurts arnt all that effective. If you do indeed need to replenish the good bacteria in your gut, then these yogurts, even though wont do any harm, wont do much good either.... The levels within them are considerably far lower than that of the capsules that i was suggesting.
The thing is when this situation clears up and another health situation occurs you will be back to square one, doubting and going from doctor to doctor, forum to forum trying to get answers.
You may think i am wrong for stating this but it has become clear to me what treatment you really do need. maybe enquiring about anxiety medication such as a benzo or SSRI along with therapy may be an idea as well, as it will help you to stop focusing on your inner being and help you to project your attention on the outside world more and relax.
Plus the reason as to why you like the advise nursegirl has given you is because you choose to 'Pick out the little bits you like and actually Hear'.... but in actual fact Nursegirl has clearly said that she has been told that pro-biotics yogurts arnt all that effective. If you do indeed need to replenish the good bacteria in your gut, then these yogurts, even though wont do any harm, wont do much good either.... The levels within them are considerably far lower than that of the capsules that i was suggesting.
The thing is when this situation clears up and another health situation occurs you will be back to square one, doubting and going from doctor to doctor, forum to forum trying to get answers.
You may think i am wrong for stating this but it has become clear to me what treatment you really do need. maybe enquiring about anxiety medication such as a benzo or SSRI along with therapy may be an idea as well, as it will help you to stop focusing on your inner being and help you to project your attention on the outside world more and relax.
OK so Ive been reading up on yeast infections etc...and I do now believe I could very well have just that :(
I started getting slight headaches, hot sensation on my forehead last Oct, then in Dec I got the dark red smooth tongue and fuzzy feeling issue after the antibiotics (probably didnt help), then about march I got the white tongue issue combined with all of the above.
I have also been thinking about my diet and lifestyle allot and I admit that in the last year or so I have been eating a very high sugar diet including chocolate, biscuits, energy drinks, fizzy drinks (soda), desserts etc...I do exercise with running and I am actually pretty fit as I have been a distance runner since I was 18 and I used to have a very strict diet outlook. This went out of the window in the last 2yrs as I started to wind down and get bored of my strict diet, I still run but not as much, but I still do it, despite this I tend to eat what I like as Im very slim and I believe I have a high metabolism.
Is it possible I have brought on a yeast infection through a high sugar diet these last 2yrs or so?? Im sure the antibiotics didnt help and may have tipped things over the top but is this possible? I have read that yeast infections can cause a wide variety of issues like spots, headaches, depression, tiredness etc...now I have been getting headaches as said and I do suffer from spots too, had a bad spell recently but not just on my face but my neck (where I shave typically) and shoulders/back, not saying this is the reason as I have always been prone to spots in exactly the same places, sometimes I have bad spells..it just happens.
Im gonna get some garlic tabs and change my diet as best I can, bloody hard though as Ive looked up what to eat, unfortunately Ive been eating bananas, pears for lunch for quite awhile and just found out they are no good due to the sugar amounts :( This could be one reason why I have had no luck in getting shot of my problem...that and the chocolate of course :(
Work is an issue though, I work night shifts and chocolate is a good quick fix when working.
So diet change as much as possible and garlic tabs,
can you take garlic tabs with other supplements over the course of a day?
I started getting slight headaches, hot sensation on my forehead last Oct, then in Dec I got the dark red smooth tongue and fuzzy feeling issue after the antibiotics (probably didnt help), then about march I got the white tongue issue combined with all of the above.
I have also been thinking about my diet and lifestyle allot and I admit that in the last year or so I have been eating a very high sugar diet including chocolate, biscuits, energy drinks, fizzy drinks (soda), desserts etc...I do exercise with running and I am actually pretty fit as I have been a distance runner since I was 18 and I used to have a very strict diet outlook. This went out of the window in the last 2yrs as I started to wind down and get bored of my strict diet, I still run but not as much, but I still do it, despite this I tend to eat what I like as Im very slim and I believe I have a high metabolism.
Is it possible I have brought on a yeast infection through a high sugar diet these last 2yrs or so?? Im sure the antibiotics didnt help and may have tipped things over the top but is this possible? I have read that yeast infections can cause a wide variety of issues like spots, headaches, depression, tiredness etc...now I have been getting headaches as said and I do suffer from spots too, had a bad spell recently but not just on my face but my neck (where I shave typically) and shoulders/back, not saying this is the reason as I have always been prone to spots in exactly the same places, sometimes I have bad spells..it just happens.
Im gonna get some garlic tabs and change my diet as best I can, bloody hard though as Ive looked up what to eat, unfortunately Ive been eating bananas, pears for lunch for quite awhile and just found out they are no good due to the sugar amounts :( This could be one reason why I have had no luck in getting shot of my problem...that and the chocolate of course :(
Work is an issue though, I work night shifts and chocolate is a good quick fix when working.
So diet change as much as possible and garlic tabs,
can you take garlic tabs with other supplements over the course of a day?
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