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Down comes the Confederate Flag.....in SC
The South Carolina House has approved a bill to remove the Confederate flag from the statehouse grounds, and the flag will be taken down Friday.
The vote early this morning came after more than 13 hours of debate.
The House approved the Senate bill by more than a two-thirds margin. Republican Gov. Nikki Haley will sign the bill at 4 p.m. today and the flag will come down at 10 a.m. Friday, the governor's office confirmed today.
“Today, as the Senate did before them, the House of Representatives has served the State of South Carolina and her people with great dignity,” Haley said in a statement after the House vote. “I'm grateful for their service and their compassion. It is a new day in South Carolina, a day we can all be proud of, a day that truly brings us all together as we continue to heal, as one people and one state.”
Efforts to have the flag removed intensified amid a June 17 shooting at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal church in Charleston in which nine people died.
Republican Rep. Jenny Horne scolded fellow members of her party for stalling the debate with dozens of amendments, recalling the Rev. Clementa Pinckney, the pastor of Emanuel AME and a former house member who died in the shooting.
"For the widow of Sen. Pinckney and his two young daughters, [keeping the flag] would be adding insult to injury and I will not be a part of it," she screamed into a microphone.
The flag has been flying at the statehouse since the early 1960s, serving, for many, as a reminder of a racist past. Others have argued that the flag reflects Southern pride.
The vote marks a stunning reversal in a state that was the first to leave the Union in 1860 and raised the flag again at its statehouse more than 50 years ago to protest the civil rights movement.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/south-carolina-house-approves-bill-removing-confederate-flag/story?id=32319323
The vote early this morning came after more than 13 hours of debate.
The House approved the Senate bill by more than a two-thirds margin. Republican Gov. Nikki Haley will sign the bill at 4 p.m. today and the flag will come down at 10 a.m. Friday, the governor's office confirmed today.
“Today, as the Senate did before them, the House of Representatives has served the State of South Carolina and her people with great dignity,” Haley said in a statement after the House vote. “I'm grateful for their service and their compassion. It is a new day in South Carolina, a day we can all be proud of, a day that truly brings us all together as we continue to heal, as one people and one state.”
Efforts to have the flag removed intensified amid a June 17 shooting at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal church in Charleston in which nine people died.
Republican Rep. Jenny Horne scolded fellow members of her party for stalling the debate with dozens of amendments, recalling the Rev. Clementa Pinckney, the pastor of Emanuel AME and a former house member who died in the shooting.
"For the widow of Sen. Pinckney and his two young daughters, [keeping the flag] would be adding insult to injury and I will not be a part of it," she screamed into a microphone.
The flag has been flying at the statehouse since the early 1960s, serving, for many, as a reminder of a racist past. Others have argued that the flag reflects Southern pride.
The vote marks a stunning reversal in a state that was the first to leave the Union in 1860 and raised the flag again at its statehouse more than 50 years ago to protest the civil rights movement.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/south-carolina-house-approves-bill-removing-confederate-flag/story?id=32319323
I'm finding it hard to understand why you're so stuck on the 50's when there's so much history between the Civil War and then, as well as SINCE the 50's.
A lot of things changed after the 50's... and President Obama and a lot of people telling black people what should offend them has brought back a lot of racism.
A lot of things changed after the 50's... and President Obama and a lot of people telling black people what should offend them has brought back a lot of racism.
Barnum said that as she and Hervey were traveling home Sunday, she let Hervey drive. She said he stopped at a convenience store, and she remained in the vehicle as he went in. She said Hervey was wearing a Confederate kepi, or military hat. Barnum said soon after they left the store, a car with four or five young black men pulled up near them.
"They were angry with Mr. Hervey," Barnum said. "Mr. Hervey sped up and said, `Hell, no.' ... He really had to gun it on the gas pedal."
Barnum said Hervey didn't have time to explain what was happening. "I could have sworn that they knew him because of his reaction to them," she said.
She said the car ran Hervey off the highway, and the SUV rolled over
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_MISSISSIPPI_FLAG_SUPPORTER_FATAL_ACCIDENT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-07-22-05-46-13
If the story was reversed it would be a BIG DEAL and I have never seen a cell phone that could stop someone from running you off the road
"They were angry with Mr. Hervey," Barnum said. "Mr. Hervey sped up and said, `Hell, no.' ... He really had to gun it on the gas pedal."
Barnum said Hervey didn't have time to explain what was happening. "I could have sworn that they knew him because of his reaction to them," she said.
She said the car ran Hervey off the highway, and the SUV rolled over
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_MISSISSIPPI_FLAG_SUPPORTER_FATAL_ACCIDENT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-07-22-05-46-13
If the story was reversed it would be a BIG DEAL and I have never seen a cell phone that could stop someone from running you off the road
Look at the history Barb in the 1950's and government buildings in South Carolina.
I mentioned the idea to my husband that the Confederate flag was only brought out in the 50's to make a statement and he looked at me like I was crazy... he did some research and found several sites that showed that it's been in use all along, since the Civil War and not just the KKK and their ilk. He was reading to me as I was fixing lunch, so I'll have to go find the sites...
The point is, it wasn't "just" brought out to make a statement... but you're right, no one here is going to change their opinion.
The point is, it wasn't "just" brought out to make a statement... but you're right, no one here is going to change their opinion.
Hm. Barb. A percentage of African Americans may not see the confederate flag as racist but would imagine that there is a percentage that does. I guess we'd have to take a poll. If that flag was not brought out in the 50's to make a statement, maybe I'd look at it differently.
No one here is changing their opinions. :>) Which is okay. I can partially see where people are coming from with seeing the flag as something to have pride in. It's not like I don't get what you are saying or think what you are saying is outlandish.
No one here is changing their opinions. :>) Which is okay. I can partially see where people are coming from with seeing the flag as something to have pride in. It's not like I don't get what you are saying or think what you are saying is outlandish.
I didn't realize you hadn't read the entire discussion (there's a lot stubborn determination involved), but I wasn't addressing just you.
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