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to Teak and some other knowledgable people
Hi teak,
My case is indeed very similar to many others and especialyl the notorious "possible??" whom you might be remembering.
I met an asian girl (high risk). Didn't deep kiss or anything, just a lip-lip touch with drink transfer (beer, 5%) which
I spit at that instant only and when I looked at the spit there wasn't any visible blood.No hard spitting either, the drink probably just came out because of disgust. It still haunts me probably because of my guilt or there is actually some risk I don't know. There wasn't any other contact besides this.
It's been 11 days since then and I haven't had any symptoms as such except from day 3 to day 6 I had a bit of fever.
Do I have anything to worry about? I have seen at quite a few places that you, dr HHH have mentioned that kissing even with blood is no risk, virus can not survive in this drink and without blood the risk is zero but I still needed some reassuarance from experts like you.
Could you please tell me if my logic is correct and I indeed have no risk based on this exposure and I should move on?
My case is indeed very similar to many others and especialyl the notorious "possible??" whom you might be remembering.
I met an asian girl (high risk). Didn't deep kiss or anything, just a lip-lip touch with drink transfer (beer, 5%) which
I spit at that instant only and when I looked at the spit there wasn't any visible blood.No hard spitting either, the drink probably just came out because of disgust. It still haunts me probably because of my guilt or there is actually some risk I don't know. There wasn't any other contact besides this.
It's been 11 days since then and I haven't had any symptoms as such except from day 3 to day 6 I had a bit of fever.
Do I have anything to worry about? I have seen at quite a few places that you, dr HHH have mentioned that kissing even with blood is no risk, virus can not survive in this drink and without blood the risk is zero but I still needed some reassuarance from experts like you.
Could you please tell me if my logic is correct and I indeed have no risk based on this exposure and I should move on?
Thanks snippets69.
The only reason why I am worried (being paranoid, pessimist or whatever) is if there was a minute amount of invisible blood which somehow stayed in my mouth after spitting and blah blah blah..when I sit and think logically this seems extremely improbable but then in stead of reading stuff and thinking about various scenarios that sound similar to mine I thought it best to give my scenario and seek for opinion from a lot of aware people out here.
The only reason why I am worried (being paranoid, pessimist or whatever) is if there was a minute amount of invisible blood which somehow stayed in my mouth after spitting and blah blah blah..when I sit and think logically this seems extremely improbable but then in stead of reading stuff and thinking about various scenarios that sound similar to mine I thought it best to give my scenario and seek for opinion from a lot of aware people out here.
Hi,
There is no risk in kissing at all......
you're fever is due you worrying a lot and everyone gets it anyway.
Take care,
There is no risk in kissing at all......
you're fever is due you worrying a lot and everyone gets it anyway.
Take care,
No person ever caught HIV this way so i think it is completely illogical to think you will, you are fine 100% nothing to worry about.......be well
Thanks a lot. There's so much of information available on net that you tend to worry about all sorts of things. I read somewhere that swallowing is better than spitting because stomach kills it. You and Dr HHH say that alcohol would destroy virus and then one random site says that it's a myth. It's all way too confusing. But after going through a lot of forums here I think that you people know a lot more than most of the people around. Just to reconfirm, are you saying that even if the female were to be positive and some minute blood were to be present in the drink there still is no risk because of it being diluted with beer and saliva etc? (the drink transfer was mouth to mouth)
calm down...it's not even 7 a.m. here.
no risk...none...no ifs, and, or buts about it.
hiv is transmitted through unprotected vaginal/anal intercourse...sharing iv drug works...mother to child.
move on...you do not have a hiv concern :)
no risk...none...no ifs, and, or buts about it.
hiv is transmitted through unprotected vaginal/anal intercourse...sharing iv drug works...mother to child.
move on...you do not have a hiv concern :)
hey,
thanks a lot. i don't know why can't i put this behind and go ahead.
i hope most of the people here agree with you that my exposure was indeed a zero risk one.
thanks a lot. i don't know why can't i put this behind and go ahead.
i hope most of the people here agree with you that my exposure was indeed a zero risk one.
You didn't have an "exposure" whatsoever. You need to educate yourself about how HIV is transmitted. It isn't transmitted via kissing, casual contact, such as sharing drinks, eating with the same utensils, shaking hands (even WITH a dastardly cut/chapped skin/blister, etc etc).
If you cannot move past this on your own....please seek some preofessional help....as it's obvious the anxiety is getting the best of you.
If you cannot move past this on your own....please seek some preofessional help....as it's obvious the anxiety is getting the best of you.
thanks a lot. i was a bit worried only because of the drink transfer from mouth to mouth. i spit it out immediately but who knows if something was left inside.
I re-read my post and i get that people might think that i am worried about sharing a glass, it's not that. she drank a bit from my bottle and transferred to my mouth which i spit immediately. the lip-lip contact was hardly for 2 seconds you can say.
Doesn't matter. ANY aspect of what you describe carried NO risk. NOTHING.
Your lips could have been on FIRE, and the answers will not change.
I hope you can move on.
Your lips could have been on FIRE, and the answers will not change.
I hope you can move on.
hmm, thanks! and yeah, i am moving on. for the first 4-5 days i spent the entire time of my day including office hourse surfing on the net on various sites trying to find a similar situation and in the last 3-4 days I have more or less realised that my exposure was indeed close to zero but then i thought before i officially conclude that let me just ask some people. :)
hmm, yeah i am. :)
i read a research paper which says that alcohol faciliates transmission of hiv through mouth. It also said that in alcohol > 4% hiv stains were killed immediately and then there was a site which said that it's a myth that alcohol kills HIV and the US govt doesn't say kissing is a risk because of some propaganda.
http://www.radioliberty.com/dec1.htm
For people like me who aren't well aware of all the issues and complexities it's hard to filter out wheat from chaffe.
i read a research paper which says that alcohol faciliates transmission of hiv through mouth. It also said that in alcohol > 4% hiv stains were killed immediately and then there was a site which said that it's a myth that alcohol kills HIV and the US govt doesn't say kissing is a risk because of some propaganda.
http://www.radioliberty.com/dec1.htm
For people like me who aren't well aware of all the issues and complexities it's hard to filter out wheat from chaffe.
That's why you stop searching. The good docs here on the expert forum do this for a living...they know the insides and outs of HIV...and no way is kissing a risk...not at all...not even a "low" risk which you keep saying. HIV is a very weak virus and actually very hard to transmit....
STOP searching the web...you'll be able to find anything you want to fuel your anxiety.
STOP searching the web...you'll be able to find anything you want to fuel your anxiety.
hey, thanks a lot for the info. As I said, I am probably having a lot of guilt and anxiety.
Actually my worries increased a bit more because I lost about 1.2 kgs in 2 weeks.
But then, since most of you sound very confident I would guess that weight loss can be attributed to anxiety.
Actually my worries increased a bit more because I lost about 1.2 kgs in 2 weeks.
But then, since most of you sound very confident I would guess that weight loss can be attributed to anxiety.
Get a therapist if you can't let this go. You didn't have a risk. Do you get this freaked out when you get in your car or step outside your door to get your mail?
I won't be so freaked out had it been just a lip to lip kiss. And I also said that maybe I am over-reacting. My only concern was mouth to mouth drink transfer. I know that most of the people here know a lot more about HIV than I do which is why I came and asked here.
Dude, you've had no less than 5 people tell you you didn't have a risk. If HIV was that easily transmittable 90% of the population would have it.
You came here because most of the people know more about HIV than you, yet you're not taking our advice. There's no maybe about it. You ARE over-reacting. Let it or get a therapist, we can do nothing more for you.
You came here because most of the people know more about HIV than you, yet you're not taking our advice. There's no maybe about it. You ARE over-reacting. Let it or get a therapist, we can do nothing more for you.
haha, i do agree with all of them. the last post wasn't a question again. I just said why I worried so much, doesn't mean that I am worrying even right now.
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