Recorded case of late detection

[abathen]

could anybody verify if this IS the longest case of late seroconversion recorded?
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Thanks

[abathen]

thanks guys,
I also understand that test case mentioned happened in 1990, over 15 years ago. Has anything similar to this happened over the last 5 years? where our testing method is actually more sensitive?

[nonbeliever]

when is this string going to die, yes the people in the study were hiv positive already, and who knows what gen test was given, most nowadays are 3 and 4 gen test.

[abathen]

Hi, can you help me to clear this issue? thanks

[cecil50]

anyone got an answer for abathens or mine (cecil50) questions ?   wouldnt mind knowing the info

[abathen]

ok, i might have got it confused. So you are saying the study is about Gay guys who are already HIV positive, but tested negative for HCV at 3 months, correct? When did they eventually test antibody positive for HCV?
So to summarise, HIV actually has been known to delay HCV, not the other way round, is this correct? And so far, the longest for HIV seroconversion is 9.5 months; which happened to the health worker in 1990, correct?
Btw, in 1990, was it still a elisa 2 nd gen?

[stelutu]

     you got it wrong. they were known HIV+, that tasted 3months+ for HCV (they got it after HIV seroconverting).  Docs knew by DNA/PCR they were HCV+, but did not show in Ab tests in that 3months window, for 35% of the infected persons.
     If interested, I can provide u with a link.

[abathen]

Can anybody answer if this particular case in 1990, was it a 3rd Gen ELISA or 2nd GEn elisa?
Stelutu, what about the gay persons case, what year was it? when did he eventually test positive?

[cecil50]

if this was back in 1990 surely todays tests would be more accurate than back then.
so if you catch hiv/hep at the same time would this delay the production of antibodies by long then ? and how long do you think it would take to turn positive ? i didnt think it would make much of a difference ....... anyone

[abathen]

Regarding the study on gay man where he still test negative at 6 months, when did he eventually test positive? Is he cointected with HCv as well?

[Frank303]

Hep C is  more commonly caught through needle-stick injuries and needle-sharing among IV drug users. It's very unusual for it to be sexually transmitted.
The test docket I got said HCV has a 6 month window period.

[cecil50]

so if you possibly catch hiv and hep c at the same time you have to test out to 6 months ?

[Naseeb]

I originally meant to ask whether that pic in your profile is ur real pic or some model's pic.

Anyways, thanks for the info. I just wanted to know what HCV was and whether I was at risk or not.

[stelutu]

Oh man.......you need to test for NOTHING !!!! you can get either from a BJ.
Giving BJ to a man is a low risk, but not your case, so why ask???

[Naseeb]

I just read it online, it says that health care workers who deal with blood on day to day basis are at higher risk for HCV. Unprotected sex or multiple sex partners is a low risk. I only had unprotected sex once in my life with four years ago, after then I have been tested for HIV several times but never for HCV. Indeed, I had blow jobs. Do I need to get tested for HCV?

Thanks

[Naseeb]

People who get tested for HIV at low risk exposure (i.e blow job), they don't really get tested for HCV, do they?

[stelutu]

     HCV is commonly known as hep C and tested by DNA (VL), or antibodies, antiHCV .
Also, I  meant coinfection of the two, although it is a documented study on gay men , HIV+, that tested positive by VL in the 3months- post exposure, but negative by antibodies even at 6 months (35% of the newly infected HCV subjects).

[Naseeb]

To Stelutu's response:

"You are supposed to test conclusively at 3 months, except of the above categories:
chemo/IV drug users/organ transplant/HCV coinfection/ PEP (antiretroviral drugs) "

I understood all the above, but what is HCV? If average guy has any of the above, he would know it, right? I mean, I had normal 3 months post exposure negative test, Thanks God. But, how do I make sure that I don't have HCV? I know that I am not Chemo, drug user, organ or PEP. But, I am confused about HCV.

[Teak]

That is the policy of the health care group. It's to comply with OSHA and their insurance not because they believe they may test positive at a later time.

[stelutu]

     Yes, it's true. They test out to 12 months due to their job, in order to respect the medical policy of protecting the patients.
     You are supposed to test conclusively at 3 months, except of the above categories:
chemo/IV drug users/organ transplant/HCV coinfection/ PEP (antiretroviral drugs)

[abathen]

So, if we are not exposed through occupational exposures, we reallt should not worry right? And for those who ARE exposed by occupational needle stick, must they test it our to 12 months (hiv n HCV?)
Thanks

[Teak]

You're welcome again.

[Teak]

If you would have read my reply, then the myth of that "late seroconversion" did not exist, if one had another exposure.

[Teak]

Those so called documented cases could never be scientifically confirmed. Meaning, that those that did have a so call late seroconverson, were NOT ruled out to have not had another possible exposure after their original exposure.

[stelutu]

"The health care worker developed antibodies to HIV between 8 and 9 months after this exposure. HCV seroconversion occurred between 9 and 13 months after the exposure. Less than three years after the needlestick, the health care worker died as a result of complications from hepatic failure."

      There are like 3 or 4 cases world wide of coinfection HIV/HCV that seroconverted that late   (8 to 12 months post exposure) (documented cases), but in all cases we talk about health care workers exposed to needle stick.
      I have not yet found a documented case of  late seroconverting ( 6months+), but these exceptional situations.