Hello all. I am new to this so any suggestions, tips, tricks or helpful ideas would be very, very much appreciated. Just as a little background for anyone reading this, I am 25 and have a very addictive personality and so does my wife. I was one of those kids that used the "gateway" drug marijuana when I was young. It eventually led my wife and I to do bigger and badder things.... crystal meth. My wife and I have since kicked that addiction, however hard it was, and the few short-term relapses I had but we are done which I guess you could say is a huge accomplishment, considering how few people ever really get off such an evil and addictive drug like crystal meth. When I met my wife, she was addicted to dilaudid (I think that's how you spell it) real bad. I was able to get her off of them and her and I were clean for a while. She then went to a doctor and came home one day with a prescription for 180 10mg Hydrocodone (blue footballs). I, growing up had never taken any type of pill as weird as that sounds but this was the beginning. WE starting taking these one at a time, which slowly over the past 8 years has led to taking 9-13 a day for me and as much as 19-22 a day for her. She does not work so she has nothing to do all day but take these things, and I pretty much "have" to take these to make myself get up and go to work every day. I have put myself in such financial trouble taking out loans just to buy pills. I will buy any pain pill I can find no matter how much it costs. I at times have gone and spent more than $390 at one time for pills. We have taken any and every pill I can find and afford. I cannot continue living my life like this. I today have taken the last pill I want to take and I am looking for some guidance or tips as I begin this long hard journey. Today is Saturday and all I can think about right now is how I am going to go to work on Monday without any pills...... I do not have health insurance so I cannot check into any kind of rehab program. The bad thing about this is, I have to get myself off of them so I can then start working on getting my wife off of them. I look forward to hearing anything anyone can tell me to help with this goal. I want to be clean, I want to feel as like I CAN get up and do something without these things. I want to feel happy because I AM happy, not because I the 3 pills I just took have kicked in. Hopefully someone who has been in my shoes will read this and has some very encouraging words or methods used to kick this psychological and physical dependency. Thank you.
First of all welcome to this forum. You will find a ton of support and congrats on taking this first step to ask for help. I dont know how to tell you that you will be fine to go to work on monday. If you are determined to stop then you will go through withdrawls and that will make you feel like you have the extreme flu. Can you take off a few days from work? Reach out to anybody close to you to help support you? Is your wife willing to do it with you? There is a Thomas recipe on here that helps with withdrawls and maybe you can go talk with a Doctor about helping you with the withdrawls. I am on day 5 and am feeling a lot better now. The other thing is that even though you will feel horrible for a few days you will get your life Back!! Take one day at a time or one second at a time but dont give up~ we are all here for you.
welcome and congrats on getting of crystal meth...I would agree with the tapering but would suggest your wife does the same thing with you. stock up on plenty of fluids, read the thomas recipe and Amino Acid Protocol at the bottom right. remember to be strong, take it one day at a time,, I know you can do this..keep posting and reading post.
Thank everyone who has commented with their support and kind words. I cannot take off work and I am dealing today with the fact that I am going to have to suffer through this... As hard as it may be... I had a talk with my wife last night and I think she is on board with me on this. I am almost certain I can do this but my concern is my wife. My mother and father-in-law are both addicted to these things and they literally get HUNDRED'S a month. I will not be buying any more for us but my inlaws supplying my wife behind my back is my main concern. I took the first step in this today in saying NO when my wife asked me to find some and buy them and telling her that if we are going to do this, we are going to have to stick with it. She says she can't and that stopping cold turkey will kill her. She takes a lot more than me so I guess in a way, I can't say I know how she feels. She had an episode the other night sitting up for hours and hours, she told me that she wanted felt like she wanted to rip her skin off. I don't know what to do at this point. I do not have any money to get any to taper with and she doesn't get her prescription until at least the 19th of this month. Her parents are also out right now so I don't have any worries today but soon they will start getting their many, many prescriptions and if I can't convince her this is the right thing to do soon, she may go back to "the other side"..... Something I forgot to mention in my original post, we have 3 kids. I guess I was kind of embarrassed to admit that we had kids and this problem, but If I'm going to make it through this process, I have to be honest in every way to everyone around me. We woke up a couple of hours this morning before the kids and had a little time to wake up and shake the feeling of "wanting to die" off a little. So far this morning, dealing with the kids has been quite a test of our patience. I am going to look into the Thomas recipe but right now, I almost don't have a dime to my name to buy anything to help with this process. The kids have been out of school for two weeks and of all days, today is the day we have to start getting everything in place for them to go back to school. I am going to make every attempt at helping my wife get through this stuff today. I must go now because all 3 of the kids are asking for something to eat and I have to somehow manage to go to the store and function. I feel right now as though I CANNOT do anything but lay around on the couch or in the bed. I am sooo ready for this part of the process to be over. I will write more later and again, thank all of you for your help and support!!
Hey there...take care of yourself right now and be supportive of your wife. One word for you on wds and it's free---exercise. No matter how sick, weak, etc you may feel, even something simple as a walk will feel good; just don't overdo it. As you start to get some energy and strength back, start setting fitness goals for yourself.
Having healthy goals will get you where you need to be...
you sound very determined and you are doing good so far!!! hang in there!! and never be embarrassed. I think most of us here have kids! I dont know about lurkers, but of the regular posters here, I think most of us are parents including myself. We even have quite a few pregnant women come through here from time to time. Im glad you are being honest and putting forth your best effort. It will be tough for sure- going thru WD's , going to work, getting the kids off to school and dealing with your wife too. You have a lot on your plate but you can do it. You really can! and btw it wont "kill" your wife to stop. opiate WD just makes you feel like you are goinig to die sometimes but alot of it is a matter of perception and expectation. if you get told you will feel like youre gonna die, then you likely will. If you are told it suckss a little but you'll get through it fine, you probably will. The bottom line is you will likely feel achy all over, get diarrhea and have trouble sleeping. oh and crave the drugs like mad. thats the hardest part, to make sure you dont go out and get more when the cravings hit. Hang in there, you will get through this!!
somehow all the supplies will need to be cut off...family and the rx...u both will have to get this done together..if u make it before her then u will be clean and can help her catch up...it is good u have been strong enough to get this done and perhaps focusing on u right now may be best....u can not know what she is doing day in and day out while u work...but setting an example will help and if u do not buy them for her aand keep track of the money...it will cut down her intake perhaps....an exercise routine and the thomas recipe helps many here..a taper would help and pick a quit day when u have a few days off...do u have anyone who can hold ur pills for a taper?
Hello! I know it is hard today and it will be tomorrow, and for the next few days, but sweetie I promise if you stick with it you will start feeling better. I know your wife is having a hard time, but it is only a few days of being miserable.I was taking percocet for a year and half 10mg about 10 per day, that is alot and is stronger, I am now on day 4 and feel much better today. Day 2 and 3 was pretty rough, but I made it. I did take a valium last night because I needed the sleep and it worked I fell asleep around 10 and slept until 7 this morning and would not have woke unless the phone rang. I too have children 2 and one started back to school today so yes it is difficult, but if you dont start now your going to keep going through the beginning stages of withdrawals anyway, because eventually you run out and you run out money, a horrible viscious cycle. I too was getting mine from my family and it ***** I know, but you have to dig deep inside yourself and find it, it is single handedly the hardest thing I have had to deal with, but it will be worth it. I have never been addicted to anything before until now. Your wife is going to have to pull herself up by the straps and get it together just for those kids. Like a few others have said its like coming down with a really bad flu, please stay strong for yourselves and the kids. Good luck, find someone to connect with on here and it will work out for ya. I found someone on here who has been my saving grace, he talked to me several times a day on the phone to help me through, he helped me, all you need is encouragement and an outlet and it will work. Let me know how you are doing. My prayers are with you guys
Well, it's now day 2 and I'm sitting at work feeling like death warmed over. Somehow we managed to make it through yesterday but today feels like it's going to conquer me. I left the house at 7:30 this morning and my wife kept telling me she was going to get the kids up and take them to school but I have a feeling that didn't happen. Just this first hour I have been at work feels like it's been a whole day so I can't imagine how the rest of the day is going to be. I've noticed a couple of people have mentioned something about tapering in their comments. We don't have 1 pill right now and I don't have but $23.00 in the bank so even if I wanted to get a few more to taper with I couldn't. I'm thinking right now that doing so would have been a better choice if it would have been possible. As I read everyone's comments it makes me very emotional to know that there are so many people out there going through this at the same time and the same way I am right now. I feel like dying right now and I am VERY concerned about what my wife is going to do during these days I'm away from the house. I went last night and got some tylenol, sleep aid, imodium, and some emergen-c. I'm not sure anything is helping. My wife and I both tossed and turned all night even after taking the sleep aid and twice the recommended dosage of some Nyquil. I have found a few Tylenol 3's with codeine but I am scared that taking them will pro-long this process and make it harder than it already is. Does anyone have any knowledge about Tylenol 3's and if they will help us in this process or make it harder and the symptoms last longer?? I am going back to work now, not by choice but because I know I have to......... :(
chuck the T-3's. THey wont get you high, or help your pain they are too weak, but they will however probably set you back in your WD symptoms and start the process over again. HOpe you didnt take them already! hang in there, this will pass!!!!!
You've done good so far! I was taking 12-15 10mg's a day and cold turkey'd that along with weed and cigs. It makes you feel like death for at least the first 3 days, and then the physical symptoms will start to recess, but only slightly. I'm on day 6 and everything for me is better with the exception of stomach/abdominal pains and tossing and turning at night, but that is soo much better than what I had from days 1-3.
Don't take those 3's, they'll set you back (if not physically then mentally) to a place you dont want to be. Once you are through today, and most of the way through tomorrow, you will get that feeling of, "If I've made it this far, I'm not going back." Not to say you still wont be feeling WD, but in the first three days I experienced that my mind made my symptoms worse, and that slowed after those first days.
Stay with it, with support from this group, and anyone else that you can find to support you (meetings, more online groups, talking to a doctor) because if you are in the right mindset to quit, it makes the detox at least bareable. Strength in numbers, keep checking in here, I think I've checked this board 100 times a day for the last 6 days. : )
It's been 2 days now and the worst of it is almost over. I am really proud of you for making the decision to quit and helping your wife out at the same time. One thing I found to be extremely helpful during my WD from Norco (I took 30 to 60 Norco a day!), was a HOT HOT HOT bath. I stayed in the bath for a good 2 hours and ran the water as hot as I could stand it. It relaxed my muscles and I was able to sleep. When the water starts to get cold, drain it and start over. I also took a sleep aid, but I had checked with my Dr. first before taking it. Amino Acids will help along with exercise if you can muster the energy, and then of course something to help with the stomach aches. For me, the creepy crawly skin was the worst, and the hot bath helped with that. We are all with you and will see you both through this. Bring your wife on here as well and let her read some of out posts. And be sure to remind her of how proud you are of her for quitting too!
You're doing great, keep it up. We all know how miserable you're feeling right now, but you're just that much closer to it being over with. Every hour that goes by, you're closer to being done with the demon.Make sure you drink plenty of fluids and at lunch time, try to take a short walk. If people are noticing that you look sick, just tell them you think you've got the flu. If you and your wife get the restless legs, hot baths and wrapping them in ace bandages helps.
You and your wife are going to have to have a serious talk with her parents, telling them no matter what they are not to give you or the wife any pills. No matter how hard you beg. They will need to respect your wishes. They should probably hide them. You'll also need to cut off the script from the doctor. In the next few days, if you can get them...you will. Cut off your supplies.
Hang in there and stay strong. You'll be ok soon.
Look Sweetie I know you feel horrible, and the minutes seem like days, but there is a light at the end of the tunnel. I am on day 5 and this morning I feel good, though it comes in spurts the energy that is. Day 4 for me was extreme sweats and chills and emotional, but I made it through another day and it makes me one step closer to becoming free from such a vile drug. I will say this you still have a few more rough days ahead, but please stick with it. Like I said before I have took valium the past two nights and it has worked wonders for me sleeping. Anyway, hang in there you guys can do at least you have each other to lean on and someone to understand what you are going through. You can do it look at all the others on here that have done it and have gone through the same exact thing, it mind over matter. You have to keep your mind on other things as well, find someone who makes you laugh that has been one of my best medicines is laughter, and it doesn't have to be someone you know it can be a total stranger. take care and good luck we are all pulling for you and each other
Hey buddy just read your original post. Is there any possibility of sick time at work?? If not and you cant bear going cold turkey and work I would prolly taper.......but u said you had no money so I guess that wont work...sorry. But I am on day 5 of a 10 norc a day habit. Quit cold turkey. All the suggestions above were great but I saw no one mentioned Hylands Restful Legs(Walgreens for about 5-6 bucks) It has worked WONDERS for my RLS at night. Other than that the baths, amino acids, and a sleep aid worked for me. Congrats on your decision to stop putting poison in your body. I have noticed everyone here cares for one another and that also helps. I am definetly on this board about 30 times a day!!! Take care and im praying for you!!
I have a 12 per day habit of hydro. I have even purchased of the street as well when perscript runs out. My wife calls me a pill head. I guess she just doesn't understand. I have run out and refuse to by on the street anymore. I use them for chronic neck and back pain. I am trying the cold turkey method and its been hell. I am able to be off of work for a few days.(thank god) I am at the end of day three and feel better. I can tell you the exact hour 75.5 hrs. The exercise and hot bath has helped. Other than that it's been Ib. tums and pepto. My oldest is home from college and I felt like **** because we were supposed to do something together and I couldn't. I lied and told him I was sick from something. Then last night I was on the couch trying to sleep and I guess I started to have bad tremors. I scared the hell out of my two youngest and they went to seek out my wife. I noticed what had happened a caught him before he got to her. After that I buried my head in the pillow and cried quietly. I cant believe I was doing this to my family. I hope this is the time to stop completely. Hats off for going to work, I would not be able to make it. I hope the rest of my life goes as slow as the three days has gone so far, I have tears building up even as I write. This site is a god send and I'm glad I'm not the only one out there going through this.
Good luck it suckssss and is very hard. Hot baths or showers help a lot.
What you are doing now is the best thing you can do for your family and children. Eat lots of Bannanas for your legs and get hylands restlesss leg stuff from your pharmacy. Immodium works the best for the stomach and the runs. Drink lots of fluids, water not soda. Do not give in. I wrote to you on an earlier post aswell. Look at the bottom right hand side of the forum page for the Thomas Recipe and Amino Acid Protocol. You will find helpful sugestions there. The w/ds you are feeling will last for another few days but they will subside. You will wake up one day and feel great. Keep posting on this site. There are lots of people who will be on this site later that will have even more helpful info and suggestions and offer tremedous support. People who have detoxed from far greater amounts than you will help. Stay at it. You are doing great and you should be proud of yourself for what you are doing.
I did see your other post and than you. I see you have quite a few postings. How long for you. Thanks for the words. I can't believe this site it is great. I can talk and not fell worthless and ashamed. I will stay here for a long time. Its like an AA meeting on line.
GOOD LUCK TO ALL. WE WILL KICK IT TOGETHER. I LOVE THIS SITE.
I am on day 4 but my w/ds are not as bad. I got off Suboxene in sept. I was clean for 43 days. Felt so good I thought I could handle using again. I screwed around with oxys for about 2 1/2 months, relapse its called. During that time I had about 3 weeks where I didnt use. The last 3 weeks prior to me stoppping were begining to get out of hand so I nipped it in the bud. I have been beating myself up pretty good about relapsing though. When I stopped Sub I went to my Dr, he gave me Chlonodine whic is a blood pressure med and commonly used for w/ds. It helped alot. Takes away the freezing and sweating. He also gave me some benzos which also helped. I have never taked benzo b4 but you need to watch out for those as they can become habit forming and are apparently a ***** to get off of. If you take it over a two week period which I did you should not have a problem. If you have a good Dr. and you share with him your situation they might be willing to perscribe those meds to help.
Is suboxene supposed to be a way to get off pills without W/D's. You are saying you got addicted to these. Didn't know that was possible. Six months ago a friend had some and we were talking. He gave me 5 to start. I took one a day and then nothing. I had no withdraws what so ever. I went for 23 days. My pain was back and Dr. called a refill. Been on them ever since. I dont buzz off of them It just relieves the pain so I can function. I have another friend that takes methadone on a regular basis. I can only imagine his withdraws. I am afraid if I stop the pain won't. My problem is I take 3 four times a day instead of 1 four times a day.
Thanks feelingblu as I said before this is a great site.
Just wanted to know how you are doing. My hat goes off for working while going through this. I hope the wife is ok. I am on day three and the worst of it has passed. The worst for me was from hour 24 to 60. I feel I can function now. If you relapse its ok too. Just come to the site and let everyone know. They seem to get behind you and It sounds like many have relapsed.
Good luck. we all know the hell you are going through.
I WILL SAY IT AGAIN. THANK GOD FOR THIS SITE. I WOULD NOT OF MADE IT THIS FAR WITH OUT IT.
Getting off the Suboxene was pure hell. I was taking it for 2 years. I wish I had gone cold turkey from the pills 2 years ago. It would have been easier. The only way to do Sub is to get on it and taper quickly. Be on it no more than 2 months. My advice is to go c/t from the pills.
based on the amount you are/were taking you can do the c/turk. Again if you have a good Dr. that you can confide in Cholodine will do wonders for the w/ds. I know it is not easy but you can do it. Feel free to drop me a message on my profile if you have any ?s,or need some support.
Well, I went back to the Devil... Half way at least. We could not make it cold turkey. We have taken too many for way too long to try and quit cold turkey. 30 a day between the two of us for 8 years every day of our lives. We have gotten some and are getting her next script soon. We have done soo much better with them though. We have cut our usage down so much that even though we are taking again, I AM proud of us. We have only been taking 8 a day between the two of us for the last 4 days and although I haven't felt "GOOD!" like I normally would have when taking our usual amount, I have been able to work, play with the kids, not have any w/d's sleep like a baby every night. Starting on Monday we are going to start only taking 2 a piece in the morning to get going for the day for a week only taking 1 extra in the afternoon if ABSOLUTELY needed. We are going to try and do this for a week and then cut down to 1 in the morning and 1 in the afternoon if needed as before. Then we are going to cut down to only taking something every other day and then eventually our final goal of being done with this devil. I think this process will be so much easier on our mental and physical wellbeing and make it possible to function and live our lives normally while still trying to better ourselves. I will continue to update everyone on our progress through this process. I feel as though I have let down some people on here but I just want those people to know that my wife and I have agreed to stick to this plan and eventually we will be completely clean. Thank all of you for your caring and kind words and may god bless you all!! :)
Hey buddy if you think that plan will work for you then go for it!! Remember you are doing this for you and your wife, not any of us on here. We are here to help, not judge!! I am just happy you two have come to a point where you realize the addiction is a disease that needs to be cured. I will pray for your next few weeks, that you and your wife will find that strength in yourselves to throw off the pills!!
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