I'm sorry that YOU aren't strong enough to have pills around and NOT take them.

[beachtowel]

No addict is strong enough!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm sorry but to hear I stopped taking 30 pills a day and have now tapered to 15 a day has nothing to do with recovery.

Recovery is about ZERO pills, its about DETOX, its about SUPPORT,
to Sustain it.

NA a meetings are essential to recovery, it just isn't about not taking drugs. That is only half the battle, when you quit you still have a lot of work to do..........

Sorry if I offended anyone, but this tapering thing is getting old..............

[addictedtoloratab]

I think everybody gets to recovery in there own way, I think its great that you are clean, but, wow, thats kind of harsh.  My sponser supports me as I feel a sponser should do, she says when you are ready your ready.  I also dont think NA is for everyone.  Sorry, I dont.  I think thats what works for you and for some people it does, but, it is very controversial.   Some people are trying really hard to taper to quit and your response should be supportive if you are a sponser.. I know your probably not going to like this, but, this is how I feel... I always look forward to your post, but, I do not agree with this one,,,Peace

[texasrebecca]

If I was to relapse and told you guys on here, that I did, and you were to tell me, that I was weak and didn't want to be clean bad enough, then I would never post here again! I come here for support. If I wanted my fellow addicts to beat me down because of a mistake or a moment of weakness, then I would have shared my addiction with my family, or gone to rehab for it. Instead, I come here because of the positive way ya'll think, and the uplifting I get. I would NOT need ANOTHER lecture from anyone telling me that I was too weak or that I didn't want it bad enough! I like the way things are done around here just fine. THIS way gives me HOPE for my addiction, and if I screw up, I feel like I CAN share it with all of you without being judged. Judging is what the rest of the world does already, so can we on here, leave the judging to the rest of the world, and just support each other? I'm pretty sure this is what keeps most people coming back!

[DAnthrope]

Skip to page 46, "The efficacy of NA"

http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=aaTZul-IK1cC&oi=fnd&pg=PP4&sig=dbLuR3xabmpDd6lg0NFJX9GUdA8&dq=NA+AA+effective+statistics+addiction#PPA46,M1


Perhaps beach can post some NA statics from an INDEPENDENT source, which is scientific and unbiased.


/D

[tink1517]

please read my post above relating to this whole situation... i'll check in later today, i'm off to spend time w/y girls,


Tink

[DAnthrope]

Lots of great information here - which speaks specifically to my posts about the negative thinking that "I have no power over the drug"

Quoted:
"Thousands of AA and NA members are clean and sober today. More often than not, however, this plan backfires; many addicts readily accept the part about being hopeless but reject the likelihood of magical help from above. Here is where the Twelve Steps can do more harm than good: people walk out more convinced than ever that they will never change."


http://www.positiveatheism.org/rw/freedom.htm



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[girlybuff]

I wish you would take the time to read what I wrote.
it's not magical help from above.  It's believing insomething when all belief in yourself has previously failed.
Many people hang onto this notion because they cannot do it alone.
Like I said, the REAL addict as described in the BIg Book is beyond Human Aid!!
If you do not fall into this category and do not need to keep a conscious contact with a HIgher Power in order to remain sober, I guess you don't fall into that category.
But after being around AA for 5 years and all my life really with myf ather in recovery and the dealings with my inability to remain connected with the program, I DO see that when that contact fails for most, the relapse begins.
It begins with thoughts, the actual act of relapsing is the LAST part to take place.
I saw it with myself and everyone I've encountered in program.
i do stress what I said before... Recovery is not about abstinence it's about practicing those priciples in ALL OUR AFFAIRS..
You don't have to have addict behavior and be using!
Good luck!