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I'm sorry that YOU aren't strong enough to have pills around and NOT take them.
No addict is strong enough!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm sorry but to hear I stopped taking 30 pills a day and have now tapered to 15 a day has nothing to do with recovery.
Recovery is about ZERO pills, its about DETOX, its about SUPPORT,
to Sustain it.
NA a meetings are essential to recovery, it just isn't about not taking drugs. That is only half the battle, when you quit you still have a lot of work to do..........
Sorry if I offended anyone, but this tapering thing is getting old..............
I'm sorry but to hear I stopped taking 30 pills a day and have now tapered to 15 a day has nothing to do with recovery.
Recovery is about ZERO pills, its about DETOX, its about SUPPORT,
to Sustain it.
NA a meetings are essential to recovery, it just isn't about not taking drugs. That is only half the battle, when you quit you still have a lot of work to do..........
Sorry if I offended anyone, but this tapering thing is getting old..............
How many AA/NA meeting have you attended? Why are you so quick to put down something that has literally helped millions stay sober?
You are obviously a very smart person. Anyone who reads your posts will not argue that fact.
However, can you give me some success rates on your method?
I don't like to get into these types of conversations, but come on?
I mean, lets get to the basics. There are millions of people who have gotten sober....and stayed sober in aa/na. Do you really think we are about cutting people down? NO. Do I come off too strong sometimes....no doubt. If I offend someone....really, I'm not sorry. This thing is life and death. I have personally seen 3 of my old using friends die in the past 10 months. It hurts, and I'm tired of seeing it. You can enable someone to take one more, and tell them its ok, and baby them. OR, tell them its not ok, it your hurts yourself and THOSE AROUND YOU.
All too many times I see people argue with the fact that the 12 steps work. Why? Usually because they can't get honest with theirself. So my prayer is that they feel enough pain, and try their own way, and live. Live to ask for help from someone with some real sobriety under their belt who knows what they are talking about.
What the 12 steps actually do is is get you out of self, and prep you to do the next right thing.....Gods will....
My will got me high, all my bright ideas on how to get sober got me high....it hurt me and my family, eventually I stopped fighting it, and surrendured to God, worked the steps....and here I am.
I will continue to pray for you
You are obviously a very smart person. Anyone who reads your posts will not argue that fact.
However, can you give me some success rates on your method?
I don't like to get into these types of conversations, but come on?
I mean, lets get to the basics. There are millions of people who have gotten sober....and stayed sober in aa/na. Do you really think we are about cutting people down? NO. Do I come off too strong sometimes....no doubt. If I offend someone....really, I'm not sorry. This thing is life and death. I have personally seen 3 of my old using friends die in the past 10 months. It hurts, and I'm tired of seeing it. You can enable someone to take one more, and tell them its ok, and baby them. OR, tell them its not ok, it your hurts yourself and THOSE AROUND YOU.
All too many times I see people argue with the fact that the 12 steps work. Why? Usually because they can't get honest with theirself. So my prayer is that they feel enough pain, and try their own way, and live. Live to ask for help from someone with some real sobriety under their belt who knows what they are talking about.
What the 12 steps actually do is is get you out of self, and prep you to do the next right thing.....Gods will....
My will got me high, all my bright ideas on how to get sober got me high....it hurt me and my family, eventually I stopped fighting it, and surrendured to God, worked the steps....and here I am.
I will continue to pray for you
They HAVE to beat you down, so that you SURRENDER - in their OWN words, you MUST SURRENDER YOUR POWER, ADMIT DEFEAT, AND ACCEPT that ONLY GOD can help you.
So yeah, it makes beach feel great to beat you (and me) down.
He really believes he's helping you that way.
If anyone doesn't believe, just read their own words. What I say above is exactly what -3- different people have said here today.
/D
So yeah, it makes beach feel great to beat you (and me) down.
He really believes he's helping you that way.
If anyone doesn't believe, just read their own words. What I say above is exactly what -3- different people have said here today.
/D
So remind me again how long you have been sober? Your way really worked for you in the past didn't it. Thats statistics for you.....
In your own words:
"What the 12 steps actually do is is get you out of self, and prep you to do the next right thing.....Gods will."
That says it all right there.
"Gods will"
What if I don't believe in a god who has a "will"?!
What if I don't believe in god?!?!?!
To answer your question, I have been to at least a dozen AA meetings.
Each one was at a church.
I have not for 1 day been "saved" by your god and my alcohol consumption continues. And yes, I tried surrendering to it and admitting I had no power over it. Do you know what I got in return?
HOPELESSNESS.
Contrast that to 11 days without ONCE getting high off vicodin, 2 days without using a single pill. And all that ON MY OWN WITHOUT YOUR GOD OR YOUR NA.
Look - I'm not bashing NA - if it works for some GREAT!!! I have said this MANY times here - if it works for you GREAT!
But DO NOT come here preaching that it is the ONLY way to victory.
DO NOT come here STEALING THE HOPE OF OTHERS JUST BECAUSE THEY DO NOT SHARE YOU BELIEFS.
Enough is enough. cforster - tell me WHO'S POST is at the very TOP of this thread? Who was it that had to start this insanity?
/D
"What the 12 steps actually do is is get you out of self, and prep you to do the next right thing.....Gods will."
That says it all right there.
"Gods will"
What if I don't believe in a god who has a "will"?!
What if I don't believe in god?!?!?!
To answer your question, I have been to at least a dozen AA meetings.
Each one was at a church.
I have not for 1 day been "saved" by your god and my alcohol consumption continues. And yes, I tried surrendering to it and admitting I had no power over it. Do you know what I got in return?
HOPELESSNESS.
Contrast that to 11 days without ONCE getting high off vicodin, 2 days without using a single pill. And all that ON MY OWN WITHOUT YOUR GOD OR YOUR NA.
Look - I'm not bashing NA - if it works for some GREAT!!! I have said this MANY times here - if it works for you GREAT!
But DO NOT come here preaching that it is the ONLY way to victory.
DO NOT come here STEALING THE HOPE OF OTHERS JUST BECAUSE THEY DO NOT SHARE YOU BELIEFS.
Enough is enough. cforster - tell me WHO'S POST is at the very TOP of this thread? Who was it that had to start this insanity?
/D
"So remind me again how long you have been sober? Your way really worked for you in the past didn't it. Thats statistics for you..."
And so you PROVE the point - that you and the others will ATTACK anyone who doesn't share their opinion. CONVERT TO OUR WAY OR WE ATTACK.
The answer to your question is this: AA was the only method I've used for alcoholism recovery. And no, it didn't work.
Thank you for that Brother.
I see your God preaches love and compassion for only those who share your views.
/D
And so you PROVE the point - that you and the others will ATTACK anyone who doesn't share their opinion. CONVERT TO OUR WAY OR WE ATTACK.
The answer to your question is this: AA was the only method I've used for alcoholism recovery. And no, it didn't work.
Thank you for that Brother.
I see your God preaches love and compassion for only those who share your views.
/D
Do you really think your doing all these people so much good trying to make them believe AA/NA doesn't work?
I tell you what.....please remember this. I challenge you to try and outsmart, out think your addiction. I know you don't understand where I'm coming from, and thats ok.
Down the road when you are beat up enough, and your way fails......go to a meeting a share.....
I promise AA/NA will be around.......
I tell you what.....please remember this. I challenge you to try and outsmart, out think your addiction. I know you don't understand where I'm coming from, and thats ok.
Down the road when you are beat up enough, and your way fails......go to a meeting a share.....
I promise AA/NA will be around.......
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