I'm sorry that YOU aren't strong enough to have pills around and NOT take them.

[beachtowel]

No addict is strong enough!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm sorry but to hear I stopped taking 30 pills a day and have now tapered to 15 a day has nothing to do with recovery.

Recovery is about ZERO pills, its about DETOX, its about SUPPORT,
to Sustain it.

NA a meetings are essential to recovery, it just isn't about not taking drugs. That is only half the battle, when you quit you still have a lot of work to do..........

Sorry if I offended anyone, but this tapering thing is getting old..............

[DAnthrope]

I think the key is - you can't find your strength to do this battle when you're beating yourself down and when OTHERS are beating you down.

Many of us here try to help you find your own inner strength.

But realize, that is NOT what beachtowel and NA want!!!

Read rule #1 - YOU HAVE NO POWER - read no further.  

They NEED to beat you down in order for you to SURRENDER YOUR POWER over to a deity, and to THEM.  They preach, as beachtowel himself says right above(!!!) that "NA is essential to recovery".  It's OUR way or YOU ARE A FAILURE.

It's in their own words, in HIS own words - you are NOTHING without them. They'll continue to BEAT YOU DOWN until you either leave here or join them.

And they'll continue to attack ANYONE who disagrees, regardless of whether or not OTHERS are being helped by them.  

I'm pretty sure people have been helped by me in the past 11 days.
And yet - beach cannot help but attack me.

Kinda makes you wonder doesn't it?

Peace
/D

[texasrebecca]

YOU and Tink have helped me more than anyone.  You have given me the courage to march forth and win this battle!  Just wanted you to know that.  I would not be doing as well as I am (which is still not really good, but at least its something) without your love and support ( I really feel it coming through the computer and into my fingertips) And it gives me hope!  So thanks, you have helped, more than you will ever know!

[addictedtoloratab]

I agree.  I have seen many people fail with NA, some people do succeed.  I think its a option and I dont think thats the only way.  Your post have helped me in the past and as long as we stay positive for each other we can all beat this in our own time frame and in our own way.  I have read the orange papers before and I think that it was a awesome post.. Hugs, G

[pgnscared]

I am not one to get involved with this back and forth **** about who is doing what, when, and how. But I do have to say that this totally hurt my feelings. I was very successful with my taper and even came to work all week, including day 1, with very, very mild W/D's. I couldn't have done that without tapering. I wasn't putting off the inevitable I KNEW I WANTED TO QUIT. I choose the taper so I wouldn't have the runs the sweats, the aches, the **** I couldn't deal with the first time I tried C/T; the day I found out I was pregnant. Not to mention that if I had chosen the C/T method I might not still be with child. So you can't dismiss tapering some of us truly need it. I agree with trying an AA/NA meeting but that too does not work for some of us. When I was recovering from cocaine in my early 20's I found that AA/NA meetings made me want the drug even more. I would listen to their stories and remember all the good times I had using the drug and I would think, that wasn't so bad and I would leave jonesing. I never went to another meeting and haven't touched the stuff since. So please be tolerable of others as the people around you have, we are all human with different wants, needs, and reasons.

[DAnthrope]

THANK YOU for saying-  I think we should remember that even the people preaching intolerance are trying their best to help others.  It's not easy to keep coming back here, honestly.  I'm starting to really live life again and have much to catch up on!  And I have no patience for intolerance and ignorance.

But there are several here that seem inspired by my words and find their OWN strength inside to keep going - and for them I say, THANK YOU, and pray for the courage to forge ahead and be here for those that need a helping hand instead of a cold slap.

Peace - and remember I am following your progress!
/D

[Taffy101]

Maybe none of my business, but everyone else is adding their 2 cents here, thought I'd drop in mine as well... I just wanted to agree with texasrecca about the statement she made, "You (meaning DA) have helped me more than anyone!" I wanted Da, and texasrecca and Marcie4 to know that everytime I have posted something about "Failure" or feeling that I will "NEVER" make it, you didn't kick me while I was down, you incouraged me to make it... You showed me strength, and still are, that I didn't know I had... I am a very touchy person, I take things that people say to heart... maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong... But I have to disagree with BT... I think that was way out of line to call someone that was tappering a "failure"... Does it make you feel good to bring other's down?