Still Confussed about the Subutex

[redrodeo]

Today is the 21st day of not taking oxymorphine and taking Subutex. My original plan was to take this stuff for 21 days, but now I am not so sure. Maybe its too soon. I was taking about 150mg of oxymorphine. What do you all think?
ps Britney1663 I tried to send you a message but it wouldn't go thru?
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[Lynn79]

I only have a few points after reading this entire post.  First, no one calls it "Sub" because we like referring to drugs by their "street names."  We say "Sub" because it gets tiring typing out the whole word, and everyone knows what we mean by now.  It is simply an abbreviation.  Second, there will never be a be-all, end-all definition for how people should treat this medication.  In every single forum where Suboxone has come up, there is also a mad debate over how long people should be on it, how much people should take, and how everyone should taper.  The same general statement relates to every topic in this forum, and that is that everyone is different.  Yes, for some it is a lifesaver, and they could not imagine life without it, and they would not have been able to quit without it.  Some of those people can taper, or quit cold turkey, and be totally fine.  Others will struggle.  A few won't be able to stop at all, and will be on this life-saving medication for the rest of their lives.  The point is: SO WHAT.  So what if someone stays on this for life?  What is wrong with needing to take something for a disease, the way people with diabetes need to take insulin every day?  Because they are feeding an opiate addiction just like the previous one?  So what.  Everyone comes on here and scares everyone on this drug with contradicting facts and research.  Where the hell is the right information?  And what is someone like me supposed to do with this information, when I have already been on it for 9 months and wish I hadn't gone for the long term plan in the first place?  But now it's too late.  I come here and I hear the horror stories of what will happen to me and it makes me not want to read anymore.  Some people say that Sub is just like other opiates, and that it binds to the same receptors.  But other research articles, and Doctors, say that Sub does not bind to those receptors, and that is why the high is not as strong.  That is why people say that your brain has a chance to heal, because Sub doesn't falsely produce the chemicals that other opiates do.  I thought it was great news that Suboxone allows your brain to heal, and keeps you feeling normal and out of withdrawal, while allowing your brain to start producing its own chemicals again.  I said, "sign me up for that plan!"  But now it's just too much debate.  I guess I just don't understand why people tear others down and can't wait to give them a dose of reality, rather than offer some hope, even if it is false.  Just once in a while.

[christos24]

hey worried oxymprphone is a potent partly synthetic opioid that is roughly 6 to 8 times mroe potent than morphine. it is very strong and the brand name most commonly used is opana or opana er, which is the extended release version of it. i took it a few times during my period of heavy addiciton and for me it was similiar to snorted oxycontin about a 20 mg line and the high lasted for about 5 hours. Most people that end up addicted to it through legitimate prescriptions for severe pain, it is rarely found on the black market.

And DannyBoy many people, like myself find that the 12 steps or God are not the answer in keeping them clean and sober. If that works for you then I think that is wonderful, but for some people letting god into there and life and having him work it out is not the answer. I personally agree very strongly that meetings and counseling are crucial for anyone to stay sober, and found that for myself, but I along with alot of others find that god and the 12 steps do not produce results. A supportive family, friends, and people you associate with are absulutely necessary for recovery. please dont take any offense to this, I just fealt the need to share that I have heard many many success stories and I consider myself as one of them, and had not used god as the recovery tool. There are many other ways and answers in recovering and everyone is different and unique in their own way, same as their addiction and withdrawals are all different. please if how DannyBoy has recovered and seen people recover works for you take that and make the most of it. It can be a profound tool in staying clean, but if you find that not to work and fit for you then seek out other methods to recover. Peace and Love for all-Chris

[DannyBoy443]

I get to see folks every week.  Some in the first few days of starting buprenorphine, others withing the first few weeks.  They look wonderful, compared to the way they walked in.  Then there are those with months behind them.  These people are again mothers and fathers to their children, husbands and wives to their spouses, employees to their employers.  They get out of bed with a purpose.  They work a full day.  They sleep through the night.  These clients report buprenorphine as a life saver.  They are not the manufacturer, they are the patients.  They are the patients of a doctor that meets with them multiple nights in a row.  She doses multiple times during those nights.  She meets with them weekly, then in two weeks, then monthly.  She is available within 15 minutes of a client calling between visits.  I read so much on here.  From those that talk about using the drug only when they have cravings to asking one another (clients) how long they should be on the medication and at what dose.  This is addictive behavior.  Who do we listen to, our doctor or our using and now recovering friends.  There is a blog I saw tonight asking if a doctor is suppose to dose and observe clients during the first visits.  All doctors should be doing this.  That's the law.  People have asked about the counseling component.  I have seen things on here that are distorted because some doctors aren't doing what they are suppose to do, that is true.  It's not the medication though.  It's the passing of information.  We need to be proactive in our recovery.  We need to insure ourselves that our professionals are living up to their responsibilities.  We need to seek out the advise and counsel  of those who know.  But then, we need to turn it over and let God work in our lives.

[worried878]

U may be resistant because u r afraid of relapse?  It is a real fear for sure....aftercare and a change in your habits/eliminating triggers in ur life if possible while on the sub can help...meetings, meetings and more meetings..read, read and read on addiction...some triggers can not be avoided...life can be one big trigger!...but fact is one day u will have to face it..everyone will...reach deep inside and live life to the fullest as it is short....

People have some great taper plans on here...there is one in my journal that my pain mgt doctor uses...u could start tapering where u r at now....too much longer and the sub will grab u...were u on OXYMORPHONE?   I am not remembering what OXYMORPHINE is right off the bat...oxycontin, oxycodone....does make a difference what drug u were on

[redrodeo]

Hey thanks for all the info. The medication does not produce any high. JUst altered in some way. Not pleasent. I wonder part of me is resisting stopping this stuff.
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[christos24]

yeah alot of people i know personally and others get extemely nauseous after taking it, some people spend 18 hours puking theres guts out, dizzy as hell. though the nausea, dizziness, and puking is nothing like taking heroin and getign taht, most people enjoy that.  i never got that and youre right about not feeling the "high" after a while, it does go away due to tolerance and youre body adjusting to buprenorphine after a while...