Still Confussed about the Subutex

[redrodeo]

Today is the 21st day of not taking oxymorphine and taking Subutex. My original plan was to take this stuff for 21 days, but now I am not so sure. Maybe its too soon. I was taking about 150mg of oxymorphine. What do you all think?
ps Britney1663 I tried to send you a message but it wouldn't go thru?
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[tommm70]

I agree about feeling a type of "high" when taking Subutex. It is not your typical opiate high. But you know when it kicks in. And it is not very strong after you have been on it a long time. I never liked the feeling, as it made me nausious almost every time.

[christos24]

i agree, there seems to be alot of confusion about suboxone(buprenorphine/naloxone), even with health professionals and government agencies. Suboxone does not fix the recptor sites like what was stated earlier, it is a partial agonist(heroin, fentanyl,methadone, oxycodone,hydrocodone, etc.) as well as partial antagonists(naltrexone, naloxone,narcan, etc.-what is used in opiate overdoses) effects. It does help the receptor sites more so than with full agonists but it is still an opioid,derived from thebaine, has very potent painkilling properties, 25 to 40% more potent than morphine on a mg to mg basis and with that being said it is addicting and has a longer withdrawal, that can be very harsh. it can last for months, and when that happens thats actually when youre receptors start to fully heal. going on suboxone is really switching to another opiate, just that its long lasting(37.5 hr. half-life average), is a lot harder to abuse, stops you from getting really high from other opiates, and doesnt provide as much as a high as full agonists. no matter how much people may say, anyone who has been on suboxone will tell you that you do feel a high from the drug though not as potent nor as intense as oxycontins or heroin it is really strong, and for a non opiate user it can be as strong as those potent full agonist. in a study with opiate user, users werent able to tell a difference in being injected with buprenorphine(suboxone, subutex) and heroin. that right there should tell you something. anyone starting suboxone treatment should realize it is strong, it does not really heal youre receptor sites, and it does need to be carefully tapered down otherwise you will experience a brutal two month withdrawal that is not fun by any means, nor mild....

[tommm70]

You are SO right. Going to the Suboxone website,  it looks like Christmas for people with addiction. At least that is what it looks like to me. Everyone smiling, perfect....  It looks like they have a gift to give you, and everything will be all better. Such a shame that a true road to recovery involved so much more.

I do agree, that it is a great option for some, but quiting, and W/Ds are no easy road. They make it sound like it is almost a free ride through recovery. I am sorry, but they do make it sound that way at the website. I know thats what I got from it when I first researched things.
I wish I would have known the things I know now about Subutex. I am not sure I would have ever gone that route. Or at least not long term. I think a 5 to 10 day treatment is good. It allows you to W/D off the opiate, and not become dependant on the opiad.

[worried878]

I am not sure that just because you are not getting high while taking suboxone means your brain is healing like it would if you were drug free...I can take over ten hydrocodones a day and not get high...Sub it is a good choice for many...just not a free ticket and people need to understand that...and going to the pharmacuetical suboxone site you will not read very much negative publicity..they want to sell this drug...reading other sites, forums, articles are also ways to educate yourself

[christos24]

oh the withdrawals are just as bad as methadone, no one can down play that with long term suboxone use and a high dose the withdrawals are long and BRUTAL...ive been on both treatments and the withdrawals are the same...the emthadone just wroks better, but everyone is different.

[tommm70]

"There is a counseling component required by law.  While the addiction is treated through counseling and the medication managed by the doctor, over time the medication is withdrawn.  And  buprenorphine is easier to stop with a clinical plan than the other opiates."

I disagree with this. SUB withdrawal might be slightly milder, but it lasts much longer. The physical W/D symptoms lasted almost 2 months, with some symptoms as long as 4 months. I was only on SUButex for about 6 months at a pretty low dose. I tapered and it still sucked.
Everyone might be different, but the shorter you stay on this the better off you will be.