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Bipolar and Ocd: Similarities? During Manic Episodes Do You Have Trouble with Obsessive Thoughts?
Obviously, I know the difference between bipolar and ocd. But I notice during moodswings, mainly manic I have obsessive thoughts. Not always disturbing ones but they can difficult. And this must be true for some other people as well. I don't know if there is any overlap between the two disabilities but to some extent there must be as a person going on a spending spree may be a compulsive spender or they might be having a manic episode and binge spending. I know that before recovery that I would spend a lot of money and becoming obsessed with having certain cd's. It wasn't always a matter of money. There was an obsessive element. Or wanting to travel somewhere for no reason on impulse. The impulsive behavior was manic but there was an obsessive nature behind it as well. Have people been through this as well? Perhaps someone could explain.
hold on and you will be OK. i know abilify is quite used widely in Britain so ireland must be the same. You know something about psychic diseases they have got a psychological part sure it isn't only the chemistry which plays the central role. So if you convince yourself that you will be OK you will be OK
good luck and report
ezz
good luck and report
ezz
thanks ezz, i'll just have to wait and see how they work for me. having a really really really bad day today!
Alright you convince me. i will not pursue this silly discussion about AP and MS etc...
one point though is that our family has one remorse or regret concerning what happened in 2006 the turning point in my life. I told you i was dx originally OCD whether it was really it or confused for BP alright. Suppose even i was BP from start, i was on risperidone 1mg , stelazine 2 mg and anafranil 25mg and life went on until i or we decided to stop the meds. Believe me it was the pdoc who put this decision in our mouth because he said once you graduate it's finished and you can be normal and no need for meds. Whethet ignorant or dishonnest because before this date i.e. in the course of my illness he must have been told that i was hypomanic many times so he shouldn't have other thoughts if he is really a psychiatrist except doubting that i am BP. But this is easily said than done, because at that time nobody in the family read anything about BP as we were concentrating on the OCD. Now my father after graduation reminded the pdoc of his promise i.e. should be able by now to stop the meds. The dirty ***** agreed whether by mistake or not!!! of course i was happy and my father too. so we stopped the stelazine first and no harm done then the risperidone and no harm done either. but the anafranil we kept on and off but mainly on. after 3 months i got my first mania, the euphoric one.
my question is (think well about it) - because it is still an argument in the family that my father is responsible for this mistake and they both quarel and my father repenting, whereas he says the pdoc responsibility not to agree because he is the one knowledgeable between us and that the pdoc himself who presented this idea before, yet my mother says that had it been the nagging of my father to him he wouldn't have perhaps agreed.
Anyway the QUESTION is. Suppose i continued indefinitely on the risperidone as MS with the anafranil, would i never had become clinically bipolar. so life would have continued peacefully without mania therefore i should be OK for good. In all religions this is called the WHETHER IF question. because we all are regretting this decision. so could what happened must have happened or will happen no matter the decision we took (i mean not knowing this BP business forever). because if this mania was bound to happen one day as monkeyc says either you are BP or not then possibly it will show up one day especially that things worsen with time usually.
thanks
ezz
one point though is that our family has one remorse or regret concerning what happened in 2006 the turning point in my life. I told you i was dx originally OCD whether it was really it or confused for BP alright. Suppose even i was BP from start, i was on risperidone 1mg , stelazine 2 mg and anafranil 25mg and life went on until i or we decided to stop the meds. Believe me it was the pdoc who put this decision in our mouth because he said once you graduate it's finished and you can be normal and no need for meds. Whethet ignorant or dishonnest because before this date i.e. in the course of my illness he must have been told that i was hypomanic many times so he shouldn't have other thoughts if he is really a psychiatrist except doubting that i am BP. But this is easily said than done, because at that time nobody in the family read anything about BP as we were concentrating on the OCD. Now my father after graduation reminded the pdoc of his promise i.e. should be able by now to stop the meds. The dirty ***** agreed whether by mistake or not!!! of course i was happy and my father too. so we stopped the stelazine first and no harm done then the risperidone and no harm done either. but the anafranil we kept on and off but mainly on. after 3 months i got my first mania, the euphoric one.
my question is (think well about it) - because it is still an argument in the family that my father is responsible for this mistake and they both quarel and my father repenting, whereas he says the pdoc responsibility not to agree because he is the one knowledgeable between us and that the pdoc himself who presented this idea before, yet my mother says that had it been the nagging of my father to him he wouldn't have perhaps agreed.
Anyway the QUESTION is. Suppose i continued indefinitely on the risperidone as MS with the anafranil, would i never had become clinically bipolar. so life would have continued peacefully without mania therefore i should be OK for good. In all religions this is called the WHETHER IF question. because we all are regretting this decision. so could what happened must have happened or will happen no matter the decision we took (i mean not knowing this BP business forever). because if this mania was bound to happen one day as monkeyc says either you are BP or not then possibly it will show up one day especially that things worsen with time usually.
thanks
ezz
Hey look what i have done, i am sorry to confuse you i didn't mean it at all. None of us is a pdoc, your info must be deduced solely from the doctor. We are only trying to draw your attention to things the best we can in our opinion of course. i never tried lamictal neither abilify it's only readings that i've done and monkeyc says online reading may not be correct. so i could be totally wrong. I know a lady on another forum who was on lamictal and abilify. she said she was tense after a while and her pdoc changed abilify to seroquel. since then i hear from her sporadically but she seems ok.
pk. i am now totally confused. have just started lamictal and pdoc is talking about adding in abilify. is this a bad combo? as you all know i have tried so many different antipsychotics, tricyclics, ssri, mmri? and lithium to no effect. any questions i should ask my pdoc about above two drugs? sorry to get off the ocd/bp discussion. i asked pdoc about topamax and he wouldn't even consider it. don;t know why. have bipolar with dysphoric mania and cutting. got through twenty four hours without cutting but not twenty six! an improvement anywat. again sorry for digression. btw zyprexa nd effexor was a really bad combo for me, extreme agitation and start of cutting and burning.
Adel you are not on 3 AP drugs you are on 3 sedatives which just happen to be AP drugs. There is a huge difference between drugs being used as designed and drugs being used for another purpose.
And in fact Anti Psychotics DO work as Mood Stabilisers - Zyprexa is just one example. Im not sure where you get the impression that we say they dont.
What we say is that theyre not true Mood Stabilisers they are Anti Psychotics with Mood Stabilising properties the same as they have Anti Depressive qualities but they were not designed as MS drugs.
Lithium is in fact equally effective in both phases and does work on Depression - Im not sure where you are getting your information but its not what i would call clearly defined - Lithium is STILL 50 years on considered the best mood stabiliser.
This is also the danger of reading resopnses from people on web forums - they say "X causes Y" but you have no idea of their actual drug mix, general health, stress factors, sleep patterns, diets etc - this is what irritates me most about Lithium haters who throw abuse at the drug and when you get them talking you invariably in 8 out of 10 cases that they did not follow the instructions, ignored warning signs of toxicity etc etc.
You dont know me, I dont know you - nothing I or anyone on the web say should ever be taken as gospel and that means read reputable sources and speak to a competent medical person.
As to why I am monkeyc and not john which is my real name - ive used monkeyc for a very long time and its also my domain name and nickname on a lot of sites - I dont much hide myself as use a consistent name.
And in fact Anti Psychotics DO work as Mood Stabilisers - Zyprexa is just one example. Im not sure where you get the impression that we say they dont.
What we say is that theyre not true Mood Stabilisers they are Anti Psychotics with Mood Stabilising properties the same as they have Anti Depressive qualities but they were not designed as MS drugs.
Lithium is in fact equally effective in both phases and does work on Depression - Im not sure where you are getting your information but its not what i would call clearly defined - Lithium is STILL 50 years on considered the best mood stabiliser.
This is also the danger of reading resopnses from people on web forums - they say "X causes Y" but you have no idea of their actual drug mix, general health, stress factors, sleep patterns, diets etc - this is what irritates me most about Lithium haters who throw abuse at the drug and when you get them talking you invariably in 8 out of 10 cases that they did not follow the instructions, ignored warning signs of toxicity etc etc.
You dont know me, I dont know you - nothing I or anyone on the web say should ever be taken as gospel and that means read reputable sources and speak to a competent medical person.
As to why I am monkeyc and not john which is my real name - ive used monkeyc for a very long time and its also my domain name and nickname on a lot of sites - I dont much hide myself as use a consistent name.
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