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Is MS a possibility here?
Hello all,
I'm both new and very impressed with this forum, and after trying for months to understand my symptoms I'm glad to be apart of a site that specializes in answering the questions I have so many of.
That said, I'm a 15 year old girl, and things have not been right with me since February.
In February of this year, I had an ER visit for possible Liver dysfunction and/or failing (accompanied by high fever which lasted a week, extreme tiredness, and abdomen pain) due to an accidental Tylenol overdose. Blood work came back normal, Ultrasound showed no abnormalities. And so, I was discharged from the hospital, but still had the abdominal pain and a low grade fever.
A month later, in March, I went to see my PCP for the same pain in my abdomen. However, now the pain was not by my right liver where it was a month ago, but was on the lower-right quadrant of my abdomen. PCP suspected appendicitis and requested a CT Scan aswell as another Ultrasound.
Both came back normal, except Ultrasound showed gaseous and irritable bowel.
Since then, I've been experiencing much different symptoms, but I do believe that perhaps those ones are linked to my current condition.
Starting in May or so, I've developed some strange new symptoms, such as recurring pain in my abdomen (but moves around and is sharp pain rather than dull, sometimes I experience this pain in my lower abdomen on both sides and on my lower back). I've also had depression and anxiety.
For a couple weeks now I've been experiencing frequent vertigo and the sense of objects around my being more 3d than they are (this is hard to describe, it's like the objects are popping out towards me) and I feel like I have a foggy brain, and have realized that my memory has been getting poorer and poorer. I have a constant headache in the back of my head, aswell as a general feeling of sickness/nausea.
Also, recently, maybe a few months ago, I started getting a pins and needles feeling in my arms and legs, sometimes my legs and arms feel numb/weak, and my arms have a tremor which is far more severe than what it should be. My arms constantly shake/tremble.
Do you think this could be MS?
All help is very appreciated!
This discussion is related to diagnosising ms.
I'm both new and very impressed with this forum, and after trying for months to understand my symptoms I'm glad to be apart of a site that specializes in answering the questions I have so many of.
That said, I'm a 15 year old girl, and things have not been right with me since February.
In February of this year, I had an ER visit for possible Liver dysfunction and/or failing (accompanied by high fever which lasted a week, extreme tiredness, and abdomen pain) due to an accidental Tylenol overdose. Blood work came back normal, Ultrasound showed no abnormalities. And so, I was discharged from the hospital, but still had the abdominal pain and a low grade fever.
A month later, in March, I went to see my PCP for the same pain in my abdomen. However, now the pain was not by my right liver where it was a month ago, but was on the lower-right quadrant of my abdomen. PCP suspected appendicitis and requested a CT Scan aswell as another Ultrasound.
Both came back normal, except Ultrasound showed gaseous and irritable bowel.
Since then, I've been experiencing much different symptoms, but I do believe that perhaps those ones are linked to my current condition.
Starting in May or so, I've developed some strange new symptoms, such as recurring pain in my abdomen (but moves around and is sharp pain rather than dull, sometimes I experience this pain in my lower abdomen on both sides and on my lower back). I've also had depression and anxiety.
For a couple weeks now I've been experiencing frequent vertigo and the sense of objects around my being more 3d than they are (this is hard to describe, it's like the objects are popping out towards me) and I feel like I have a foggy brain, and have realized that my memory has been getting poorer and poorer. I have a constant headache in the back of my head, aswell as a general feeling of sickness/nausea.
Also, recently, maybe a few months ago, I started getting a pins and needles feeling in my arms and legs, sometimes my legs and arms feel numb/weak, and my arms have a tremor which is far more severe than what it should be. My arms constantly shake/tremble.
Do you think this could be MS?
All help is very appreciated!
This discussion is related to diagnosising ms.
(Love Your Pic, by the way. Sometimes I wish House actually existed. We'd all be diagnosed lol)
I've had problems with ovarian cyst through the years. It caused me to run low grade fevers and have lower abdominal pain. I would have trouble with the functional kind (The name of these kind, slip my mind right now) and the hemorrhagic. When they burst, you can get a sharp pain. I'm not saying that this is the cause of your lower abdominal pain, but it could explain your low grade fever and your pain. It's an idea anyways.
If they are functional cyst and you continue to have problems with these kind, a OB/GYN would recommend a form of birth control to help prevent them from occurring. Most of the times these cyst are harmless, but they can grow. Last year, I developed a hemorrhagic cyst on my left ovary. I could not be on birth control due to other problems. I had to have surgery to remove the cyst and the ovary because it had grown too big. I had a functional cyst that grew on my right ovary soon after, but it slowly decreased after a shot of birth control.
As far as your other symptoms, I think you should get worked up by a good rheumy or a neuro. You do need to be check for all the MS mimics. It's hard to say if you have MS or not. So many people present in different ways, but I do know that something is going on that does need to be looked at regardless of what it is.
Do tell your parents what you are feeling. Depression can be a symptom of so many diseases. Almost every disease that I have researched (trying to find out what is wrong with me), depression is listed as a symptom. Don't go it alone. Sometimes we feel like we are strong enough, and we are sometimes, but we all need a little help and maybe someone to talk too.
Take Care
I've had problems with ovarian cyst through the years. It caused me to run low grade fevers and have lower abdominal pain. I would have trouble with the functional kind (The name of these kind, slip my mind right now) and the hemorrhagic. When they burst, you can get a sharp pain. I'm not saying that this is the cause of your lower abdominal pain, but it could explain your low grade fever and your pain. It's an idea anyways.
If they are functional cyst and you continue to have problems with these kind, a OB/GYN would recommend a form of birth control to help prevent them from occurring. Most of the times these cyst are harmless, but they can grow. Last year, I developed a hemorrhagic cyst on my left ovary. I could not be on birth control due to other problems. I had to have surgery to remove the cyst and the ovary because it had grown too big. I had a functional cyst that grew on my right ovary soon after, but it slowly decreased after a shot of birth control.
As far as your other symptoms, I think you should get worked up by a good rheumy or a neuro. You do need to be check for all the MS mimics. It's hard to say if you have MS or not. So many people present in different ways, but I do know that something is going on that does need to be looked at regardless of what it is.
Do tell your parents what you are feeling. Depression can be a symptom of so many diseases. Almost every disease that I have researched (trying to find out what is wrong with me), depression is listed as a symptom. Don't go it alone. Sometimes we feel like we are strong enough, and we are sometimes, but we all need a little help and maybe someone to talk too.
Take Care
Just wanted to say thanks so much to everyone,
I will definitely open up and talk to my older sister about the depression. Maybe after that I'll tell my parents, etc.
Again yesterday did not go so hot, felt numb and weak from the waste down and in my arms, though the numbness came in waves, the weakness and fatigue throughout my body was constant. Also still have the relentless pain on the lower back quadrant of my head. The vertigo yesterday was also out of control, I could not even sit comfortably with my own family at dinner because I felt like the room was spinning but I wasn't.
I'll keep you all posted on what happens, have an apt with my PCP today, so I'm hoping he finds an easily solvable solution and I can go back to being a healthy kid. :)
**Quick side note, I have really been trying to work with my depression, though I definitely do realize I can't go it alone. I have not self harmed in 2 weeks now, and plan on keeping it this way. However this is not to say that I'm not depressed anymore, I pretty much spend alot of my "free thinking time" thinking of ways I could die or anything, thank you to all that care
Best regards
I will definitely open up and talk to my older sister about the depression. Maybe after that I'll tell my parents, etc.
Again yesterday did not go so hot, felt numb and weak from the waste down and in my arms, though the numbness came in waves, the weakness and fatigue throughout my body was constant. Also still have the relentless pain on the lower back quadrant of my head. The vertigo yesterday was also out of control, I could not even sit comfortably with my own family at dinner because I felt like the room was spinning but I wasn't.
I'll keep you all posted on what happens, have an apt with my PCP today, so I'm hoping he finds an easily solvable solution and I can go back to being a healthy kid. :)
**Quick side note, I have really been trying to work with my depression, though I definitely do realize I can't go it alone. I have not self harmed in 2 weeks now, and plan on keeping it this way. However this is not to say that I'm not depressed anymore, I pretty much spend alot of my "free thinking time" thinking of ways I could die or anything, thank you to all that care
Best regards
I had a hysterectomy at a very young age because of fibroids on my uterus. Until they actually got into the surgery. They thought it was andimetriosis (inside the uterus instead of outside). Something to ask your OBGYN about anyway!
Talk to an adult close to you, please.
Be well,
Heather
Talk to an adult close to you, please.
Be well,
Heather
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Well what a bomb shell sweetie!!!! You absolutely must tell someone that you have such severe depression. I have depression too and used to get royally pissed off whenever someone would recommend a "shrink" to me. As if all of my problems were in my head, um NOT!
I finally relented and went to a neuro-psych after my MS dx only because they would be testing for cognitive damage etc. Well now I Love her!!! She and I joke and I can tell her anything (not that I have secrets anymore). Last year had had the desire to cut myself and it took everything I had not to. I didn't want to hurt myself I just wanted the pain to go away and my wacky brain thought that would relieve it. I called her ASAP and she got me through.
Sometimes depression/anxiety cause other health issues and pains and sometimes it's the other way around. Either way, you can't get the relief that you so badly need and deserve if you don't get the help and answers. PLEASE get help it doesn't mean you are weak it takes a strong person to open up and ask for help!
If you want to talk private send me a message instead of a note - just click on my name and select send message.
P.S. IF you have endometriosis and it is behind the uterine wall (mine was) then you will have all kinds of bowel issues.
Hugs,
Erin :)
Well what a bomb shell sweetie!!!! You absolutely must tell someone that you have such severe depression. I have depression too and used to get royally pissed off whenever someone would recommend a "shrink" to me. As if all of my problems were in my head, um NOT!
I finally relented and went to a neuro-psych after my MS dx only because they would be testing for cognitive damage etc. Well now I Love her!!! She and I joke and I can tell her anything (not that I have secrets anymore). Last year had had the desire to cut myself and it took everything I had not to. I didn't want to hurt myself I just wanted the pain to go away and my wacky brain thought that would relieve it. I called her ASAP and she got me through.
Sometimes depression/anxiety cause other health issues and pains and sometimes it's the other way around. Either way, you can't get the relief that you so badly need and deserve if you don't get the help and answers. PLEASE get help it doesn't mean you are weak it takes a strong person to open up and ask for help!
If you want to talk private send me a message instead of a note - just click on my name and select send message.
P.S. IF you have endometriosis and it is behind the uterine wall (mine was) then you will have all kinds of bowel issues.
Hugs,
Erin :)
Some of us have gone to a zillion doctors (it seems) and so ask yours about a Rheumatologist and Infectious disease specialist. It's important to rule out all the mimics of MS and also to see a MS neurologist. Lyme disease can give you some of the symptoms you are talking about and so can other diseases. I agree with supermum_ms, you don't have to suffer this alone or to feel that you have to find the answers alone. Please take care of your emotional health and get some help for that. WE CARE what happens to you, Charley.
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Dear young lady,
Go and find your mum or dad, and open up and tell them what you are thinking and feeling, do not be embarrassed, please dont think for a minute that depression or anxiety is something you have to suffer alone, you are suffering and its time to tell them you need some help and support.
Your symptoms can and often are associated with depression and anxiety issues, you sound just like my daughter when she was your age, be brave and speak to someone close to you, they will help you make it through this.
Take care.......JJ
Go and find your mum or dad, and open up and tell them what you are thinking and feeling, do not be embarrassed, please dont think for a minute that depression or anxiety is something you have to suffer alone, you are suffering and its time to tell them you need some help and support.
Your symptoms can and often are associated with depression and anxiety issues, you sound just like my daughter when she was your age, be brave and speak to someone close to you, they will help you make it through this.
Take care.......JJ
No joint pain here, just lots of pins and needles from the waist down and in both arms.
Interesting that you suggested that because I also looked at fibromyalgia, I'll definitely mention that to my PCP and see what he thinks. :)
Off to read about Lymes
Thanks so much
Interesting that you suggested that because I also looked at fibromyalgia, I'll definitely mention that to my PCP and see what he thinks. :)
Off to read about Lymes
Thanks so much
Thank you!
I will go look that up and read about it, the 2nd ultrasound showed an ovarian cyst, but the ER doctors never mentioned that to me. They told me that the root of my problem was my bowel, which they said could be fixed by going everyday aswell as maintaining a healthy diet.
Was frustrating to pay the hundreds of dollars for everything to be told to "keep up the good work!" with no other cause found. This is why my parents are not wanting to bring me into any medical environment, because they thoroughly believe that nothing is wrong.
I know I'll make it through this just fine, just hoping treatment happens sooner rather than later ;)
Thanks for your help and feel better!
**Also, sorry if this comes off as personal or morbid, but I'm wondering if depression/anxiety or linked to MS? Because I've been experiencing both long before these other symptoms showed up, so if they are not linked I think that might help rule out the MS. My depression is severe, I've never really told anyone this (including my PCP, I realize I really should let him know) because I'm too embarrassed, but I honestly can say that I enjoy inflicting pain on myself, won't go into details but will say that I have self inflicted wounds all over my body, and I constantly have thoughts of suicide, have also attempted suicide more than once.
Glad to have that off my chest :P
Thanks again
I will go look that up and read about it, the 2nd ultrasound showed an ovarian cyst, but the ER doctors never mentioned that to me. They told me that the root of my problem was my bowel, which they said could be fixed by going everyday aswell as maintaining a healthy diet.
Was frustrating to pay the hundreds of dollars for everything to be told to "keep up the good work!" with no other cause found. This is why my parents are not wanting to bring me into any medical environment, because they thoroughly believe that nothing is wrong.
I know I'll make it through this just fine, just hoping treatment happens sooner rather than later ;)
Thanks for your help and feel better!
**Also, sorry if this comes off as personal or morbid, but I'm wondering if depression/anxiety or linked to MS? Because I've been experiencing both long before these other symptoms showed up, so if they are not linked I think that might help rule out the MS. My depression is severe, I've never really told anyone this (including my PCP, I realize I really should let him know) because I'm too embarrassed, but I honestly can say that I enjoy inflicting pain on myself, won't go into details but will say that I have self inflicted wounds all over my body, and I constantly have thoughts of suicide, have also attempted suicide more than once.
Glad to have that off my chest :P
Thanks again
Hey girly, Do you have joint pain?
One of the things that came to my mind was it "might" be fibromyalgia.
Most people w/ fibro:
don't sleep well
have tingling in their extremities
overall pain (in all four quadrants)
headaches
fatigue
Another possibility is lymes.
(I can't put my hands on my list of lymes symptoms, but please look them up)
Praying for you kid,
Kara
One of the things that came to my mind was it "might" be fibromyalgia.
Most people w/ fibro:
don't sleep well
have tingling in their extremities
overall pain (in all four quadrants)
headaches
fatigue
Another possibility is lymes.
(I can't put my hands on my list of lymes symptoms, but please look them up)
Praying for you kid,
Kara
Hi there! I am sorry that you are suffering both pain and frustration. They do seem to go hand in hand.
Your initial abdominal symptoms sound an awful lot like my endometriosis. I am no doctor (actually none of us here are :) but since you are a young female I am surprised that they haven't ruled out female issues. Ovarian cysts, endometriosis etc. The endo would explain all of your changing abdominal pain, the gas, the back pain and depending on where it is can cause all kinds of other symptoms too.
Your pain and frustration are great causes for depression and anxiety and even headaches. I have all 3 of those as well.
Just for the heck of it maybe you should search the web for info on endometriosis or ask your PCP when you go.
Hang in there and stay positive.
Hugs,
Erin :)
Whoops, sorry for double post, forgot to add that I also have the general feeling of nausea/sickness and fatigue throughout the course of the entire day
Oh, I see
I don't think I was real clear in my post, that was my fault, my typing has gotten worse as my mind feels really foggy at the moment, my apologies!
The fever and abdominal pain have not been around for some time now. It's the numbness in arms and legs, back head/neck pain, trouble urinating, tremor in arms, vertigo, and eye disturbances that I am experiencing now.
However, every now and again I do get sharp pains in my lower back/abdomen, but they happen so infrequently that I'm not sure if they're even relevant
Thanks for your help!
I don't think I was real clear in my post, that was my fault, my typing has gotten worse as my mind feels really foggy at the moment, my apologies!
The fever and abdominal pain have not been around for some time now. It's the numbness in arms and legs, back head/neck pain, trouble urinating, tremor in arms, vertigo, and eye disturbances that I am experiencing now.
However, every now and again I do get sharp pains in my lower back/abdomen, but they happen so infrequently that I'm not sure if they're even relevant
Thanks for your help!
Abdominal pain and fever are not typically a sign of MS. That's the big clue that says to me you have something else going on. MS is a disease in the central nervous system.
I'm glad al lthis helps!
my best,
Lulu
I'm glad al lthis helps!
my best,
Lulu
You're completely right, I know it's important not to rule it out immediately.
Thanks so much for the kind thoughts
I have a quick question though, what about my symptoms make MS seem like it is not the root cause?
I'm really hoping that this is all something easily fixable and not terminal or anything, I really want to just feel healthy again. Today I've been too weak to do anything, and the pain in the back of my head/connecting to my spine is unbearable. My parents treat this like it is complete non-issue, which is frustrating, and they think it is not a priority to get me to my PCP anytime too soon.
Thanks again to everyone for their contributions
Best regards
Thanks so much for the kind thoughts
I have a quick question though, what about my symptoms make MS seem like it is not the root cause?
I'm really hoping that this is all something easily fixable and not terminal or anything, I really want to just feel healthy again. Today I've been too weak to do anything, and the pain in the back of my head/connecting to my spine is unbearable. My parents treat this like it is complete non-issue, which is frustrating, and they think it is not a priority to get me to my PCP anytime too soon.
Thanks again to everyone for their contributions
Best regards
One thing we have learned around here is never to say never .... MS presents itself in so many different ways. Your symptoms don't sound like MS to us, but there's always that outside chance that we're overlooking something. We're not doctors - and don't have access to you for an exam or your records.
I hope the PCP gets some quick answers from the tests so you can leave the idea of MS far behind.
be well,
Lulu
I hope the PCP gets some quick answers from the tests so you can leave the idea of MS far behind.
be well,
Lulu
Awesome, thank you, that is relieving to hear.
My PCP just called, and said he suspects that MS or another complication mimicking MS may be a threat. We scheduled an appointment, and he said he'd like to get an MRI of the brain ordered to rule out/in any Neurological disorders.
He said that if neither of these are found, he wants to check for Thyroid or Hyperglycemia related issues.
I'll keep you all posted, and thank you kindly for the reassurance.
My PCP just called, and said he suspects that MS or another complication mimicking MS may be a threat. We scheduled an appointment, and he said he'd like to get an MRI of the brain ordered to rule out/in any Neurological disorders.
He said that if neither of these are found, he wants to check for Thyroid or Hyperglycemia related issues.
I'll keep you all posted, and thank you kindly for the reassurance.
Hi there,
Welcome, and thank you for the forum compliments. I too feel this does not sound like MS. Best advice I have is to urge you to please keep your parents and Dr. informed of the continued and changing symptoms.
Hope you feel well soon,
-shell
Welcome, and thank you for the forum compliments. I too feel this does not sound like MS. Best advice I have is to urge you to please keep your parents and Dr. informed of the continued and changing symptoms.
Hope you feel well soon,
-shell
Okay, thanks for your input there
I forgot to mention that I also have gotten a big difficulty starting the stream when I go to urinate, like I freeze up, sometimes it will take 30 minutes and I still won't go. I often have to just "give up" which creates alot of dicomfort, since I also often get a frequent and strong urge to urinate.
Don't know if that helps,
Thanks again to all
I forgot to mention that I also have gotten a big difficulty starting the stream when I go to urinate, like I freeze up, sometimes it will take 30 minutes and I still won't go. I often have to just "give up" which creates alot of dicomfort, since I also often get a frequent and strong urge to urinate.
Don't know if that helps,
Thanks again to all
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