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For people experienced in opiate withdrawals
So I had a heavy opiate addiction for eight months. The last 3 of those was 3 days of use and 4 days of withdrawals, rinse, repeat. Eventually I reached the conclusion I couldn't stop on my own because I kept subjecting myself to that hell knowing what would happen. I went to rehab for 3 months. (the longest i made it on my own was like a week, popped 6 LTs, drank 16 shots of gin and did about 50 mgs of valium and ended up in the hospital. Then whisked off to rehab. They pumped my stomach full of charcoal so that may have masked the loose stool symptoms, which tends to be my worst symptom in withdrawal. I rarely get restless legs but about 2 weeks ago i had trouble sleeping for 3 or 4 days but woke up not tired, just listless and dejected) So, that was my most recent withdrawal. Then my ******* Anyway, I'm withdrawing now, probably almost done, but here is my main question;
Would taking a small dose of suboxone (1-2mg) to alleviate the symptoms of withdrawal only extend the symptoms?
A couple months ago i took 2 mgs of suboxone every other day for 2, maybe 3 weeks, then went camping for a week. (no drugs). Didn't experience withdrawal. It's just really confusing to me that sometimes I can use suboxone to have a painless detox, and sometimes, I don't. This last withdrawal is happening after a week and a day of being sober, doing 20 mgs of hydro one day, doing 25 the next day, doing 30 mgs of oxycodone the next day, being sober the day after that, doing 1 mg of suboxone the next day, 1 mg the next day, 3mgs the next day, 2mgs the next day, and now im on day 4 of doing nothing. I could just tough it out but I'm curious. You know, cause crapping your pants constantly *****. And not sleeping.
Would taking a small dose of suboxone (1-2mg) to alleviate the symptoms of withdrawal only extend the symptoms?
A couple months ago i took 2 mgs of suboxone every other day for 2, maybe 3 weeks, then went camping for a week. (no drugs). Didn't experience withdrawal. It's just really confusing to me that sometimes I can use suboxone to have a painless detox, and sometimes, I don't. This last withdrawal is happening after a week and a day of being sober, doing 20 mgs of hydro one day, doing 25 the next day, doing 30 mgs of oxycodone the next day, being sober the day after that, doing 1 mg of suboxone the next day, 1 mg the next day, 3mgs the next day, 2mgs the next day, and now im on day 4 of doing nothing. I could just tough it out but I'm curious. You know, cause crapping your pants constantly *****. And not sleeping.
I couldn't agree with this post more dominosarah. Feel the burn. Soldier on. Better days ahead for everyone on the gear.
This here is my first post on this forum, I guess I will give a slight intro as to who I am and what i've been through.
Heres my story:
I started using heroin and weed when I was 13, never via IV (i hate needles) im a smoker. I was warned before I had my first taste of dope that It'd f**k me up forever. If only I had listened to one of my mates that day. But i made a choice that day, picked up the tube inhaled that dope, had maybe a few spots. chucked up for the rest of the day but it felt amazing. Slept like a baby for 2 days straight, this was my first experience.
My mates all had older brothers, they were users, they turned us into users too. You could say I was brought up in a bad area, was too young to understand what the heroin was and how it would've affected me in 10 years time if I kept using. It was fun, geez I've had so much fun with this drug, the amazing amount of orgasms I could have given my gf lol. The feelin' that everythings gonna be alright as long as I had the gear/dope.
But i've never had to go on the streets to get the dope here im Australia, I have so many mates selling this **** it seems I am destined to be a dealer myself .
This drug will make you lose friends, it will turn angels into demons, your family, your own blood will disown u. (im glad i've still got my family intact)
Seen friends come and go, 9 ft deep, mates gf had an OD and died. People getting locked up for trafficking. The drug didnt mean much when I wasn't using it with my friends, thats how it use to be. Till the drug became my only friend. Only to realise I was actually alone.
So i've detoxed, relapsed, detoxed and relapsed.
Been put on the bruprenorphine, subutex, methadone. I've had enough of this s**t. I was brought up in a decent family, I had completed 7 out of the 8 grades of piano before I was even 13. I continued to ace through school till it got boring.. yes school got boring because I thought i was too smart or maybe it was the gear I was smoking inbetween my recess and lunch breaks?
Sometimes I just wonder how I would've turned out if I never had that first burn...
Im currently kicking the Methadone. cold turkey'n off 5mg / 25ml. Why not stay on it? I must go overseas. My gramps is dying from cancer, can't get meth overseas. On the HARDEST WD's atm. I just hope i wont be WD'in when i see him.
My opinion on weed is. If you're inexperienced in using weed meaning you have a low tolerance to it. There could be 2 side effects. Mainly 1 being it will put u to sleep, suppress the WD's abit or like a double edged blade it could make the symptoms worst.
Now in a case where ur kicking the meth. Weed is a bad *** idea in most cases as both the drugs gets stored in ur fat cells. This is maybe why some people just hangout twice as hard when they smoke weed on meth WD's. I have experienced this myself. But it does help the insomnia. Beware it has a tendency to make you even more depressed. As if going through opiate WD aint depressing enough. Weed could make you relapse.
Keep your head up high, better days ahead for everyone. Sorry for the long *** post. I felt like this is the right place to let my story out.
My 2 cents, Dezz
This here is my first post on this forum, I guess I will give a slight intro as to who I am and what i've been through.
Heres my story:
I started using heroin and weed when I was 13, never via IV (i hate needles) im a smoker. I was warned before I had my first taste of dope that It'd f**k me up forever. If only I had listened to one of my mates that day. But i made a choice that day, picked up the tube inhaled that dope, had maybe a few spots. chucked up for the rest of the day but it felt amazing. Slept like a baby for 2 days straight, this was my first experience.
My mates all had older brothers, they were users, they turned us into users too. You could say I was brought up in a bad area, was too young to understand what the heroin was and how it would've affected me in 10 years time if I kept using. It was fun, geez I've had so much fun with this drug, the amazing amount of orgasms I could have given my gf lol. The feelin' that everythings gonna be alright as long as I had the gear/dope.
But i've never had to go on the streets to get the dope here im Australia, I have so many mates selling this **** it seems I am destined to be a dealer myself .
This drug will make you lose friends, it will turn angels into demons, your family, your own blood will disown u. (im glad i've still got my family intact)
Seen friends come and go, 9 ft deep, mates gf had an OD and died. People getting locked up for trafficking. The drug didnt mean much when I wasn't using it with my friends, thats how it use to be. Till the drug became my only friend. Only to realise I was actually alone.
So i've detoxed, relapsed, detoxed and relapsed.
Been put on the bruprenorphine, subutex, methadone. I've had enough of this s**t. I was brought up in a decent family, I had completed 7 out of the 8 grades of piano before I was even 13. I continued to ace through school till it got boring.. yes school got boring because I thought i was too smart or maybe it was the gear I was smoking inbetween my recess and lunch breaks?
Sometimes I just wonder how I would've turned out if I never had that first burn...
Im currently kicking the Methadone. cold turkey'n off 5mg / 25ml. Why not stay on it? I must go overseas. My gramps is dying from cancer, can't get meth overseas. On the HARDEST WD's atm. I just hope i wont be WD'in when i see him.
My opinion on weed is. If you're inexperienced in using weed meaning you have a low tolerance to it. There could be 2 side effects. Mainly 1 being it will put u to sleep, suppress the WD's abit or like a double edged blade it could make the symptoms worst.
Now in a case where ur kicking the meth. Weed is a bad *** idea in most cases as both the drugs gets stored in ur fat cells. This is maybe why some people just hangout twice as hard when they smoke weed on meth WD's. I have experienced this myself. But it does help the insomnia. Beware it has a tendency to make you even more depressed. As if going through opiate WD aint depressing enough. Weed could make you relapse.
Keep your head up high, better days ahead for everyone. Sorry for the long *** post. I felt like this is the right place to let my story out.
My 2 cents, Dezz
Yeah, and look at how old you are (judging by your handle).
Every teenage kid who smokes defends it like it was their mother and thinks it makes him different, a free-thinking, open-minded "philosopher" swimming against the tide of all the "tools" and "sheep" who don't smoke. I know - BECAUSE I USED TO BE THERE, IN YOUR SHOES.
What gets me, is how addicts to heroin, etc. view it like a monkey on their back. Addicts to weed, MDMA, psychotomimetics, view it like a faithful friend watching out for them, standing by their side.
Keep in mind that it's a minority of people who like to smoke weed. The even smaller minority that LOVES to smoke is very vocal about their love for Cannabis. The plurality of people who don't like the stuff are by and large silent about it. It's part of my goal to give that plurality a voice. The balance of people are those who can stand to smoke it but don't like it well enough to buy.
Every teenage kid who smokes defends it like it was their mother and thinks it makes him different, a free-thinking, open-minded "philosopher" swimming against the tide of all the "tools" and "sheep" who don't smoke. I know - BECAUSE I USED TO BE THERE, IN YOUR SHOES.
What gets me, is how addicts to heroin, etc. view it like a monkey on their back. Addicts to weed, MDMA, psychotomimetics, view it like a faithful friend watching out for them, standing by their side.
Keep in mind that it's a minority of people who like to smoke weed. The even smaller minority that LOVES to smoke is very vocal about their love for Cannabis. The plurality of people who don't like the stuff are by and large silent about it. It's part of my goal to give that plurality a voice. The balance of people are those who can stand to smoke it but don't like it well enough to buy.
I asked a few docs and they are sure that heavy pot smoking can cause lung cancer. I believe it can and does and it's not the fun harmless drug we used to think it was . We are hyjacking this guys thread with this . Maybe we should start another
OMG wher do you get this from? There is no link from pot to lung cancer. Nicotine possibly actually its more of all the addictives they put in Tabacco that does it but that is another story.
Check out real info like the Rasta folks in Jamica that smoke daily all ther lives yet have a very low lung cancer rate.I really believe cancer of all kinds is linked to certain genes that is why some people smoke Tabacco for 80 years and do not die of cancer. The point of all this is simply not to confused the issue I never saids in any of my posts that smoking pot all day long for you life is a good thing at all. But I will tell you a person that puts down a bottle or 2 of hard booze every day will be way worst off than a daily smoker and will die. enough said do your research if smoking pot cause cancer you really think they would make it legal for medical use. Have you ever heard a doctor tell his patients to go out and somoke some Tobacco for their health!
Peace
Check out real info like the Rasta folks in Jamica that smoke daily all ther lives yet have a very low lung cancer rate.I really believe cancer of all kinds is linked to certain genes that is why some people smoke Tabacco for 80 years and do not die of cancer. The point of all this is simply not to confused the issue I never saids in any of my posts that smoking pot all day long for you life is a good thing at all. But I will tell you a person that puts down a bottle or 2 of hard booze every day will be way worst off than a daily smoker and will die. enough said do your research if smoking pot cause cancer you really think they would make it legal for medical use. Have you ever heard a doctor tell his patients to go out and somoke some Tobacco for their health!
Peace
k...i do beleive//for sake of expressing my opinion...that pot smoking could possibly cause lung cancer...and i do not smoke pot anymore..heavy smoker 20 yrs ago...no more...i will state a fact that i discovered and feel to be true for me...alcohol has gotten me into way more trouble that a joint ever did in my life...but that is me and we r all different...and we all have opinions...no substance is a good substance to use if a person is an addict...but if i had to choose based on the trouble the substance may cause me...i would choose pot
Plenty of people die from pot. A friend of mine never smoked a ciggarette in his life and was a heavy pot smoker died recently from lung cancer and the specialist believes it was from smoking pot which is 5 times worse for your lungs that tabacco, and that's just a start. Weed isn't the fun harmless drug we used to think it was and that should be enough about weed on this post.
I do believe weed is less dangerous than alcohol, and I don't smoke it anymore.
Like anything else, if you do to much of it, it will harm you.
I believe there are plenty of non addicts out there who enjoy the occasional high at a party. I see nothing wrong with that.
I do agree with all of the health risks you listed. But alcohol and cigarettes have a list as long or longer.
Law enforcement is in a losing battle for a substance that because it is illegal is worth more than gold. If you legalize, tax, and regulate it, the drug dealers would be out of business.
I dunno, its a difficult subject. CNN is having another special on marajuana legalization tonight at 10PM est. Gonna check it out.
Like anything else, if you do to much of it, it will harm you.
I believe there are plenty of non addicts out there who enjoy the occasional high at a party. I see nothing wrong with that.
I do agree with all of the health risks you listed. But alcohol and cigarettes have a list as long or longer.
Law enforcement is in a losing battle for a substance that because it is illegal is worth more than gold. If you legalize, tax, and regulate it, the drug dealers would be out of business.
I dunno, its a difficult subject. CNN is having another special on marajuana legalization tonight at 10PM est. Gonna check it out.
You are simply going to have to be honest with yourself. Like I said in 83 I ended up in a hospital addicted to alcohol, speed, cocaine, and what was commonly known as downers at the time as "downers" or "713's" quaaludes. yes I am a child of the 60's and 70's and once I did end up there had some really great years without drugs or alcohol. Honestly never thought I would become addicted to these Lortabs but hey, surely did and came to this forum to find out just how long does this withdrawal last? The pain part and constantly going to the bathroom is over and it is day 9, now if I can just get my energy back, I'm good to go. Knees are still gone and going to have to be replaced and I am not looking forward to being honest with the docs who have tried to help me but that is part of the deal too. Honesty with myself, honesty with the people I have schemed to feed this addiction, and becoming willing to accept the consequences, everything else is bull. It is either that or go back to it, or something else to run from it. As for me, I'm like you I'm tired of it bro, too hard, too peaceful the other side. I wish you well. Oh by the way I smoked my first joint probably in 67 and continued to smoke it until 83, what I found for me was it robbed me of my ability to completely relate to this universe with all of the senses I was born with, just like everything else. It may sound weird but a friend suggested I try acupuncture this time around. I reasoned that something which has been on earth for 5,000 years might be worth finding out about and it has helped me. Please remember, these are only my opinions and we all have our paths to travel, I hope yours is good.
long post..lots of response...sounds like u r trying very hard to alleviate wd symptoms...and perhaps concentrating on the harder part of "staying clean" would behoove u....sub does help wd symptoms for most/ but it cant make u clean...only u can and it takes alot of work...good luck to u..hang tight...and aftercare rox!
I phrased that poorly. By 'going crazy,' I mean every potsmoker has become very paranoid and panicky at least once, and most, many times, while smoking pot - and yet they continue to smoke. If you took an antibiotic and became paranoid and freaked out, you would quit it.
2) refer to the last paragraph of my long post for the reasons why weed is more dangerous to the psyche and society than heroin, + the fact that people who smoke it are amotivated to do anything else, to a degree not found with any other drug other than heavy LSD, E, and mushroom users... but there are not many heavy users of the 'heavy' psychedelics. There are many heavy weed smokers - people who think it is harmless.
Give an experienced weed smoker, while they are high, a shot of heroin. They cannot feel it. They will not feel it. Because weed is THAT MUCH MORE POTENT IN IT'S EFFECTS ON THE PSYCHE, as to DROWN EVERY OTHER DRUG OUT. A pot smoker would think this was the result of some 'extra potent dro super skunky kind bud chronic.' Every other drug, besides LSD, mushrooms, and E are much weaker than weed in psychological effects. WEED is one of the strongest drugs there is, and very dangerous to mental health for long term smokers (with mental illness rates approaching 80% according to one [NIDA, so.. it likely is a little flawed]) study, for daily pot smokers).
Cocaine and heroin, if legalized, are both less harmful to society than legal weed, along with being orders of magnitude less harmful to the psyche of each individual user.
2) refer to the last paragraph of my long post for the reasons why weed is more dangerous to the psyche and society than heroin, + the fact that people who smoke it are amotivated to do anything else, to a degree not found with any other drug other than heavy LSD, E, and mushroom users... but there are not many heavy users of the 'heavy' psychedelics. There are many heavy weed smokers - people who think it is harmless.
Give an experienced weed smoker, while they are high, a shot of heroin. They cannot feel it. They will not feel it. Because weed is THAT MUCH MORE POTENT IN IT'S EFFECTS ON THE PSYCHE, as to DROWN EVERY OTHER DRUG OUT. A pot smoker would think this was the result of some 'extra potent dro super skunky kind bud chronic.' Every other drug, besides LSD, mushrooms, and E are much weaker than weed in psychological effects. WEED is one of the strongest drugs there is, and very dangerous to mental health for long term smokers (with mental illness rates approaching 80% according to one [NIDA, so.. it likely is a little flawed]) study, for daily pot smokers).
Cocaine and heroin, if legalized, are both less harmful to society than legal weed, along with being orders of magnitude less harmful to the psyche of each individual user.
""EVERY long-term potsmoker has gone crazy at least once off of weed - and many continue to smoke"
"I believe it could be argued that heroin is a less dangerous drug than WEED."
LOL well that tells me more than I need to know about your opinion OMG.
Happy your clean and the laugh
Peace
"I believe it could be argued that heroin is a less dangerous drug than WEED."
LOL well that tells me more than I need to know about your opinion OMG.
Happy your clean and the laugh
Peace
Edit above: where I said, "I believe it could be argued heroin is a less dangerous drug than LSD," I meant to say:
"I believe it could be argued that heroin is a less dangerous drug than WEED."
"I believe it could be argued that heroin is a less dangerous drug than WEED."
1 Drink is not equivalent to weed. 1) you can drink without getting drunk. You cannot smoke without getting high. 2) Weed is horrible for your mental health - as a recovering heroin addict, I can assure you 100% weed set me down that path - not as a gateway drug per se, but, using opiates to try and medicate the irreversible damage weed caused my mind, which was only bad at first - after I was dosed, without my knowledge, with some amount of LSD, I went through the roof to the point I needed, and continue to need, constant professional help
. Weed is causally linked to schizophrenia and bi-polar disorder, as well as unipolar depression, as well as an 'amotivational syndrome' - (anyone who knows a heavy smoker can attest to this). In short: weed is worse than alcohol, but not as bad for your liver. It's worse for the lungs, and for the mind. No one ever went crazy off of one drink. EVERY long-term potsmoker has gone crazy at least once off of weed - and many continue to smoke. Some, like me, got to the point where we went crazy every time we smoked or smoke. Universally, people who sell enough weed in order to sit and smoke all day do NOTHING else. Weed is as addictive as every other drug, psychologically, and the only two drugs that are worse for your mind are LSD and mushrooms. I believe it could be argued heroin is a less dangerous drug than LSD.
Furthermore: people who smoke weed tend to defend it like it was their mother. At the very least: "it's harmless, it's better than alcohol," if not, "it's good for you, it opens your mind, it makes you creative," etc. etc. Weed addicts do not believe they are addicts... they believe they are creative revolutionaries opening their mind to the evils of 'the System', etc. - Weed smoking is almost like a cult. You will not find an addict to any other drug who claims the drug's benefits and extols and preaches them like a weed addict - they will generally admit to themselves, at least, that they are a junkie.
. Weed is causally linked to schizophrenia and bi-polar disorder, as well as unipolar depression, as well as an 'amotivational syndrome' - (anyone who knows a heavy smoker can attest to this). In short: weed is worse than alcohol, but not as bad for your liver. It's worse for the lungs, and for the mind. No one ever went crazy off of one drink. EVERY long-term potsmoker has gone crazy at least once off of weed - and many continue to smoke. Some, like me, got to the point where we went crazy every time we smoked or smoke. Universally, people who sell enough weed in order to sit and smoke all day do NOTHING else. Weed is as addictive as every other drug, psychologically, and the only two drugs that are worse for your mind are LSD and mushrooms. I believe it could be argued heroin is a less dangerous drug than LSD.
Furthermore: people who smoke weed tend to defend it like it was their mother. At the very least: "it's harmless, it's better than alcohol," if not, "it's good for you, it opens your mind, it makes you creative," etc. etc. Weed addicts do not believe they are addicts... they believe they are creative revolutionaries opening their mind to the evils of 'the System', etc. - Weed smoking is almost like a cult. You will not find an addict to any other drug who claims the drug's benefits and extols and preaches them like a weed addict - they will generally admit to themselves, at least, that they are a junkie.
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I have read this thread from top to bottom and i have to tell you all it is just simply insane....I am a 30 plus years veteran to the drug world and no i dont have all the answers but i do have an opinion....I cleaned up back in April of 2008, went CT off my DOC and sucked up the WD's. I realize they are rough and you feel awful and that but what do you expect?? You have been fueling your bodies with drugs. The WD is the easy part.....staying clean is the hard part. It takes strength and determination to fight this.....aftercare is necessary. You have to find out what drove you to keep using. Not always fun to take a look at yourself and see and own your faults and decisions. It is vital to do this and in the process you learn the tools to keep you clean. Turning to some other mind altering chemical isnt going to cut it. All you are doing is playing with fire and you will get burnt. I know many come on here and say smoking dope(weed) will help......that is just taking the easy way out again...you need to feel the burn. If there was an easy way out of all of this dont you think someone would share that?? So you feel like cr@p and you are tired for awhile?? The other option is death....and it will happen. A drug addiction will take you down and it will kill you.........Say what you want to me or about me......but i am 100% clean today........We all have the power and the strength to clean up and have a healthy recovery.....for those that are struggling, dig deep inside yourself and come out fighting......all the best sara
Great attitude that is what it takes but please never take 16 shots with that much Valium that is what really concerned me. I wish you all the best and your young so this is the very best time for you to become sober and free.
Peace
Peace
Well, im at the point where any type of abuse interferes with my normal life, and i no longer like that. I also want normal relationships, i want to have pride in what i do, i want to be selfless, i want to charitable, kind, etc.
I want to grow up. Addiction keeps me from all that. The year of sobriety I had was the best year of my life and I want it back.
Thanks everyone.
I want to grow up. Addiction keeps me from all that. The year of sobriety I had was the best year of my life and I want it back.
Thanks everyone.
my apologizes for yesterday sir.... i tend to forget that everyone has their own opinions.
good luck with your sobriety
good luck with your sobriety
Well if your a experience drug users then you need to know your addict mind.
If not we will see you posting here forever as many do after they relaspe again and again or you end up dead. You can close with 50mg of Valium and 16 shots of Gin. That should tell you something about what your future will be unless you start a differnt path. You have more than just a addiction and whatever it is you need to face it and deal with it ot it will just deal you.
Peace
If not we will see you posting here forever as many do after they relaspe again and again or you end up dead. You can close with 50mg of Valium and 16 shots of Gin. That should tell you something about what your future will be unless you start a differnt path. You have more than just a addiction and whatever it is you need to face it and deal with it ot it will just deal you.
Peace
drugshavetakenover, It sounds like your are getting through it and I hope you get to the end soon. That feels good to be done with it but be on your guard not to trick yourself into taking dope (just once as we all say), and getting hooked again when you feel better which will undo all the good hard work you've done.
I tried marijuana all of one time when I was younger and it did nothing for me other than it made paranoid and almost gave me a heart attack because I was so panicy after I smoked it with some friends. This is the only reason why I disagree with someone resorting to pot to take care of the WD symptoms they're afraid of going through when coming off of medications, etc. I'm weird, go on and say it... HAHA!
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