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For people experienced in opiate withdrawals
So I had a heavy opiate addiction for eight months. The last 3 of those was 3 days of use and 4 days of withdrawals, rinse, repeat. Eventually I reached the conclusion I couldn't stop on my own because I kept subjecting myself to that hell knowing what would happen. I went to rehab for 3 months. (the longest i made it on my own was like a week, popped 6 LTs, drank 16 shots of gin and did about 50 mgs of valium and ended up in the hospital. Then whisked off to rehab. They pumped my stomach full of charcoal so that may have masked the loose stool symptoms, which tends to be my worst symptom in withdrawal. I rarely get restless legs but about 2 weeks ago i had trouble sleeping for 3 or 4 days but woke up not tired, just listless and dejected) So, that was my most recent withdrawal. Then my ******* Anyway, I'm withdrawing now, probably almost done, but here is my main question;
Would taking a small dose of suboxone (1-2mg) to alleviate the symptoms of withdrawal only extend the symptoms?
A couple months ago i took 2 mgs of suboxone every other day for 2, maybe 3 weeks, then went camping for a week. (no drugs). Didn't experience withdrawal. It's just really confusing to me that sometimes I can use suboxone to have a painless detox, and sometimes, I don't. This last withdrawal is happening after a week and a day of being sober, doing 20 mgs of hydro one day, doing 25 the next day, doing 30 mgs of oxycodone the next day, being sober the day after that, doing 1 mg of suboxone the next day, 1 mg the next day, 3mgs the next day, 2mgs the next day, and now im on day 4 of doing nothing. I could just tough it out but I'm curious. You know, cause crapping your pants constantly *****. And not sleeping.
Would taking a small dose of suboxone (1-2mg) to alleviate the symptoms of withdrawal only extend the symptoms?
A couple months ago i took 2 mgs of suboxone every other day for 2, maybe 3 weeks, then went camping for a week. (no drugs). Didn't experience withdrawal. It's just really confusing to me that sometimes I can use suboxone to have a painless detox, and sometimes, I don't. This last withdrawal is happening after a week and a day of being sober, doing 20 mgs of hydro one day, doing 25 the next day, doing 30 mgs of oxycodone the next day, being sober the day after that, doing 1 mg of suboxone the next day, 1 mg the next day, 3mgs the next day, 2mgs the next day, and now im on day 4 of doing nothing. I could just tough it out but I'm curious. You know, cause crapping your pants constantly *****. And not sleeping.
hey there.......
YOU CAN DO THIS. If you can, try to do it WITHOUT ANY DRUGS. If not, take it a day at a time. I have been through the withdrawls of opiates numerous times. I have been takig hydros for almost 10 years off and on for 4 herniated discs in my back. I am on 5/500 3X's a day. The WD's suck but once you get past the 3 day hump you can get through practically anything. The last thing to overcome now is the mind trip.
Drink lots and lots of water. Try to take vitamins if you can (B12 helps the tiredness)
Mary Jane does wonders for all of these symptoms. It is much better than the opiates (in my opinion)
ONE DAY AT A TIME....you will make it...promise
YOU CAN DO THIS. If you can, try to do it WITHOUT ANY DRUGS. If not, take it a day at a time. I have been through the withdrawls of opiates numerous times. I have been takig hydros for almost 10 years off and on for 4 herniated discs in my back. I am on 5/500 3X's a day. The WD's suck but once you get past the 3 day hump you can get through practically anything. The last thing to overcome now is the mind trip.
Drink lots and lots of water. Try to take vitamins if you can (B12 helps the tiredness)
Mary Jane does wonders for all of these symptoms. It is much better than the opiates (in my opinion)
ONE DAY AT A TIME....you will make it...promise
My friend, you're on a merry-go-round that's going to kill you well before you get off if you don't stop the ride soon. Instead of looking for the next best pill to take, you need to give your body some CLEAN time to heal itself. Are you continually just running out of drugs and going through withdrawals? Or are you truly READY to quit?
taking sub would extend your misery. You say you are a heavy opiate user but I wouldn't say most of the people here aren't really heavy opiate users if they are hooked on vicodin. They may be hooked but not like the people who you see in cities. all stooped over nodding from street dope. Most people here are fixated on withdrawl and are looking for a drug solution to their drug addiction. We must remember the detox is only the first step in recovery. The most important thing is when you are done your withdrawel not to take more dope again instead of worrying what drugs can eliviate your symptoms.
The sad truth is most addicts never stop using drugs period! What they do is use their drug of choice for as long as they can until its not working anymore for them.
They quit for a while clean out for a month or 2 and then go back for maybe 6 or 7 months and do the same all over again then the drug of choice may change on them so they pick up a new one and do the same. Get clean they use again.
Why simply because in a true addicts mind he never feels really normal unless he alters his brain chemistry to a point where they feel happy inside from a drug and has never experience this level without a drug.
So many folks here whine about the WDs OMG if you only have a clue here the wds no matter how hard they are tend to be a cake walk to what is ahead in a few months of not using and feeling depressed, unhappy and no joy, going from one AD to another finding no realy hope that is not a way to live IMO. Life to me is joyful and happy when you can really let go Not hold on but that is what most addicts do they hold on. Sorry to sound negative but this is the naked truth of a addicts l ife. Most folks that comment here and on this board for a long time have had relapses more times than they can even remember and why simply because of what I mentioned above. Is it hopeless at times yes it is and at other time there is hope that is all it is going from hopeless to hope that keeps us alive.
Peace
They quit for a while clean out for a month or 2 and then go back for maybe 6 or 7 months and do the same all over again then the drug of choice may change on them so they pick up a new one and do the same. Get clean they use again.
Why simply because in a true addicts mind he never feels really normal unless he alters his brain chemistry to a point where they feel happy inside from a drug and has never experience this level without a drug.
So many folks here whine about the WDs OMG if you only have a clue here the wds no matter how hard they are tend to be a cake walk to what is ahead in a few months of not using and feeling depressed, unhappy and no joy, going from one AD to another finding no realy hope that is not a way to live IMO. Life to me is joyful and happy when you can really let go Not hold on but that is what most addicts do they hold on. Sorry to sound negative but this is the naked truth of a addicts l ife. Most folks that comment here and on this board for a long time have had relapses more times than they can even remember and why simply because of what I mentioned above. Is it hopeless at times yes it is and at other time there is hope that is all it is going from hopeless to hope that keeps us alive.
Peace
ga-guy, sorry I don't have your will power. My own demise isn't a sufficient deterrent to quit. The only thing that motivates me is I want to be normal and not controlled by an inanimate object. I dislike missing work/school/destroying relationships because I'm trying to stop taking drugs, hence the question of how to get rid of the symptoms WITHOUT perpetuating them. Just because I find it so insulting, no, all my withdrawals were self-imposed while having plenty of access to drugs. Just because I relapse a lot doesn't mean I'm not serious. Maybe its the fact I did opiates for 8 years with full control over it (stopping when needed, never over-doing it, never doing it so frequently i actually withdrew) and I think somehow I can return to that.
Me1991, thanks for the words of support. My girlfriend says the same thing and it gives me hope. I've been surrounded by addicts for so long its nice to hear people say just tough it out.
Mr. Lucky-No, I don't need a drug solution. I tried researching this question and all I ever come across is "take suboxone for a year then taper off" or something like that. Even then there is mention of mild withdrawal from it. I was just looking for a one day thing, during the worst of my symptoms, so I could feel normal and not experience further negative effects the day after. This really is probably the last day I'll be having the debilitating effects of withdrawal. The "depression" or "dysphoria" I imagine will last months.
Regardless, you all helped me. You've convinced me its not worth it. So I popped some Immodium, valium (i have a Rx, dont worry), and I'm gonna smoke some grass (i dont have a Rx so i guess that makes me a bad guy). A one day solution that won't screw me in the long run. Thanks again, seriously. I guess AA meetings come next, eh? Ya'll take care.
Me1991, thanks for the words of support. My girlfriend says the same thing and it gives me hope. I've been surrounded by addicts for so long its nice to hear people say just tough it out.
Mr. Lucky-No, I don't need a drug solution. I tried researching this question and all I ever come across is "take suboxone for a year then taper off" or something like that. Even then there is mention of mild withdrawal from it. I was just looking for a one day thing, during the worst of my symptoms, so I could feel normal and not experience further negative effects the day after. This really is probably the last day I'll be having the debilitating effects of withdrawal. The "depression" or "dysphoria" I imagine will last months.
Regardless, you all helped me. You've convinced me its not worth it. So I popped some Immodium, valium (i have a Rx, dont worry), and I'm gonna smoke some grass (i dont have a Rx so i guess that makes me a bad guy). A one day solution that won't screw me in the long run. Thanks again, seriously. I guess AA meetings come next, eh? Ya'll take care.
you do sound like a pessimist. I'd advise not trying to help people because you'd probably just make them kill themselves. No offense.
All I can say is being an addict is the best and worst thing to happen to me. You can translate that however you want.
All I can say is being an addict is the best and worst thing to happen to me. You can translate that however you want.
Sorry you took it that way. I am a realist and been around and in this for more years to count. Your young and that is the best time to stop.
Most will not kill themselves so do not worry but with a addict a real addict when you reach your quota then and only then will you truly understand what I wrote here. BTW Valium and Grass is not a good mix but good luck in your search quit while you still can
Peace
Most will not kill themselves so do not worry but with a addict a real addict when you reach your quota then and only then will you truly understand what I wrote here. BTW Valium and Grass is not a good mix but good luck in your search quit while you still can
Peace
most of the people I know relapse because they cant stand the WD's. of the ones that I know that have managed to stay clean for longer periods, they have managed to stay clean the rest of their lives. not saying I never heard of anyone relapsing over time.
I know several that have cleaned themselves up from bad coke habits,various pill problems and drinking problems, that have stayed that way for many years(some over 15 years clean) counting.
everyone is different, I have gone CT many,many times and chose to try it again thinking I would be able to control it better the next time, I just could not do it. now I am determined not to do them no more at all...............I guess I will have to see if I can do it like my friends and others I know of have, only time will tell..........
I know several that have cleaned themselves up from bad coke habits,various pill problems and drinking problems, that have stayed that way for many years(some over 15 years clean) counting.
everyone is different, I have gone CT many,many times and chose to try it again thinking I would be able to control it better the next time, I just could not do it. now I am determined not to do them no more at all...............I guess I will have to see if I can do it like my friends and others I know of have, only time will tell..........
no, you're right. Some of the brightest, most interesting people Ive ever met have been in rehab and now they're dead. Addiction will kill a lot.
Not that it means much but I my interests lie in the area of chemistry so i do a lot of research on drugs. I've never heard of grass and valium not being a good mix but i do have a tolerance to the valium. Obviously the grass is getting phased out and eventually the valium. I do see it for what it is, cross addiction, but that is a whole other issue.
Thanks. Sorry for misinterpreting you.
Not that it means much but I my interests lie in the area of chemistry so i do a lot of research on drugs. I've never heard of grass and valium not being a good mix but i do have a tolerance to the valium. Obviously the grass is getting phased out and eventually the valium. I do see it for what it is, cross addiction, but that is a whole other issue.
Thanks. Sorry for misinterpreting you.
Please let me clear a bit of that post up. I did not mean to say its impossible.
So much deoends on how old you are, how much you have used and what level of feel normal to good you will accept in your life. Some can stay clean for a very long time if the factors of age and use are not that long. its all about brain chemistry a real addict is born that way long before any addicting drug is taken.
If caught early enough your natural endorphins will kick back in and with good aftercare you have a good chance of staying clean. However if you have used up your quota which is differnt for everyone those endorphins can become so plugged up that it can take years to unplugged them and wake them up to feel good again and most addicts will simply not wait that long.
I wish you only the best
Peace
So much deoends on how old you are, how much you have used and what level of feel normal to good you will accept in your life. Some can stay clean for a very long time if the factors of age and use are not that long. its all about brain chemistry a real addict is born that way long before any addicting drug is taken.
If caught early enough your natural endorphins will kick back in and with good aftercare you have a good chance of staying clean. However if you have used up your quota which is differnt for everyone those endorphins can become so plugged up that it can take years to unplugged them and wake them up to feel good again and most addicts will simply not wait that long.
I wish you only the best
Peace
Not a problem at all. Hopefully the grass you have is good do not smoke Mexican weed please. Just good hydro grown that is clean.
Best to you
Peace
Best to you
Peace
Do not smoke any weed. This is the substance abuse board and I don't imagine any of the people who started this want opiate addicts to continue to smoke week after detox. I did this in the 70's and was adament about it being ok and a little drinking too but after a year I went back to dope. Marijuana is a gateway drug and is not hamless, especially to your lungs. all the best
The Suboxone is much stronger than 30mg of oxycodone. It is equivalent to a dose of 60mg of oxy that lasts for 24 hours instead of 4.
You have a VERY MINOR habit that is VERY EASY to quit with NO MEDICAL ADJUNCTS - not even the Thomas Recipe. I used suboxone to detox off of 1000mg of oxycodone equivalent DAILY. Don't smoke weed - weed is THE WORST drug for your mind and mental health of anything out there besides mushrooms and LSD - even worse than the opiates. Much worse.
Do not use Suboxone. Quit and take some ibuprofen for the muscle aches.
You're not having puking, restless legs, diarrhea 24/7 - you are barely physically addicted. Us hardcore addicts can't sit still, with extreme panic attacks, sick out of both ends with an EXTREME high blood pressure and pulse over 150 for five or six days on end if we detox.
You have it easy. I have quit habits of 75-90mg of oxycodone daily, PO, cold turkey with no problem other than minor discomfort for three-four days several times. Gut up and do it. You're psychologically addicted, with just the slightest TINT of physical addiction. Go to a psychologist or counsellor.
Again: you don't need rehab. You don't need medications. You DEFINITELY don't need suboxone (which will get you high as a kite at this point). All you need is the insight and self-respect to realize you barely have a habit at all.. one of the smallest I've ever heard someone claim they were 'addicted' from. You are 'addicted'... you may or may not be 'dependent', and if you are, it is in the most minor, manageable, and slight way I have ever heard of. DON'T SMOKE CANNABIS.
You have a VERY MINOR habit that is VERY EASY to quit with NO MEDICAL ADJUNCTS - not even the Thomas Recipe. I used suboxone to detox off of 1000mg of oxycodone equivalent DAILY. Don't smoke weed - weed is THE WORST drug for your mind and mental health of anything out there besides mushrooms and LSD - even worse than the opiates. Much worse.
Do not use Suboxone. Quit and take some ibuprofen for the muscle aches.
You're not having puking, restless legs, diarrhea 24/7 - you are barely physically addicted. Us hardcore addicts can't sit still, with extreme panic attacks, sick out of both ends with an EXTREME high blood pressure and pulse over 150 for five or six days on end if we detox.
You have it easy. I have quit habits of 75-90mg of oxycodone daily, PO, cold turkey with no problem other than minor discomfort for three-four days several times. Gut up and do it. You're psychologically addicted, with just the slightest TINT of physical addiction. Go to a psychologist or counsellor.
Again: you don't need rehab. You don't need medications. You DEFINITELY don't need suboxone (which will get you high as a kite at this point). All you need is the insight and self-respect to realize you barely have a habit at all.. one of the smallest I've ever heard someone claim they were 'addicted' from. You are 'addicted'... you may or may not be 'dependent', and if you are, it is in the most minor, manageable, and slight way I have ever heard of. DON'T SMOKE CANNABIS.
I agree with what a lot of people here are telling you, which is you can do this without the assistance of any other medications -- ESPECIALLY Suboxone. I'm now 14 days sober from a long addiction and dependancy to Percocets, and I did my entire detox and withdrawl without the assistance of anything, other than water, gatorade, hot showers, bananas, food [very little at times, though] and most importantly... This forum and my husband.
Please keep posting and let us know how everything is going for you. We are ALL always here to help in and with anything you might need.
Please keep posting and let us know how everything is going for you. We are ALL always here to help in and with anything you might need.
Do what is best for you.... there are people here that say "dont smoke weed" its a gateway..... seriously, that is a very stupid comment BUT everyone is different.
you are in your prayers and go and hug your girl right now... she is there for you in your time of need and you cant ask for better than that
one day at a time.. it will get better
you are in your prayers and go and hug your girl right now... she is there for you in your time of need and you cant ask for better than that
one day at a time.. it will get better
Don't smoke weed is a stupid statement here on the "substance abuse" board? Is it ok to stop some drugs and continue with others? It's statements like yours that pollute this board. This board was intended for recovery ,not for just quiting vicodin or dope and smoking weed. I used to think like you and found out the hard way that weed, tabacoo and narcotics are all connected in your brain . Weed is also lincked to mental illness and is very bad for your lungs and can cause lung cancer. I hope if you clear up a little you will realize this.
I surrendered to other addictions in 83 and found peace, had some injuries in 87 and was PRESCRIBED hydros in 87 and have been off to the races since then. Dosages have steadily increased until they are now 10/325 and 180 a month which last about 8 to 10 days. Naturally I tell myself I need them because of the pain, I have had quite a number of knee surgeries and have withdrawn many, many times between scripts and schemed, many, many docs also. Travel overseas for projects and have been prescribed Ambien for the jet lag and have been combining the two, script for them is 30 which last 5 days. Needless to say the spouse has found me comatose a couple of times and confronted me 6 days ago and naturally I defended myself as she told me I was addicted and I told her I was simply dependent. Really made me look at myself and the number of times I have helped myself to the medicine cabinets of friends and family members, the guilt and shame that brings about. The number of times I have gone back to the doctor and made up some lie about how customs at some foreign country consficated the meds and how I needed another script. The point I am trying to make is, if you are done, you are done and as for myself I am willing to go to any length to end the madness, sure it is painful but each day it gets better. The longest I have gone in 12 years is 10 days so I have never given it a chance so I really don't know what it holds. I hope you will give it a chance.
You sound like you converted to being a Morman no coffe tea etc?
Yes we all know that everything is connected to your our brains if not you would be dead. Smoking a little weed not all the time does much much less damage to you than having even 1 drink a day. Do your research on Booze vs weed.
I do agree with you if your point is a person that smokes weed all the time every day and is high 24-7. Booze kills brain cells period pot may numb them for a bit, booze cause liver disease, kidney faliure etc etc weed does not.
Yes your correct this board is about recovery and for some folks here it helps to have a glass of wine while they are coming off opiates and for some a bit of weed.You would help more not being a puriest but a realist here.
Your cards were on the table when you called pot a gateway drug.
Peace
Yes we all know that everything is connected to your our brains if not you would be dead. Smoking a little weed not all the time does much much less damage to you than having even 1 drink a day. Do your research on Booze vs weed.
I do agree with you if your point is a person that smokes weed all the time every day and is high 24-7. Booze kills brain cells period pot may numb them for a bit, booze cause liver disease, kidney faliure etc etc weed does not.
Yes your correct this board is about recovery and for some folks here it helps to have a glass of wine while they are coming off opiates and for some a bit of weed.You would help more not being a puriest but a realist here.
Your cards were on the table when you called pot a gateway drug.
Peace
I am a realist and this is a recovery board. I drink coffee and am not a morman thankfully. . I think that some people can have a drink but that's different than weed. Weed is all about getting high and 1 drink isn't. You logic doesn't fly at all especially here. 1 Drink is way different than smoking weed and is also illegal. I drink may have health befifits weed has no health benifits except for those who need it medically and that's a different story. It would be interesting to know what the people who monitor or run these boards think and I suspect I know.
These post will probably be deleted but that would be sad because you really no next to nothing about this. Many folks that get off opiates will take just one hit not to get high but to take the edge offf its the same with a drink why do you think drinking is ok. Just drink soda water them . Your logic makes no sense to me.
Both one hit or a drink will do the same thing.
I will not continue to post with this with you it is very clear you are from a place long long ago.
Peace
Both one hit or a drink will do the same thing.
I will not continue to post with this with you it is very clear you are from a place long long ago.
Peace
yes, we are at a substance abuse board and yes, your points are valid but did you even read what the guy was saying? The man has a LOT of addictions and relapse issues. Weed would be the least of his worries. Gosh, thank you for straightening me up. Without your *** comments i would have never realized how much of a loser i am for occasionally smoking weed. Just trying to help the guy out.
Peace and love is what you need............
Peace and love is what you need............
no problem I mean no disrespect to Mr. Lucky and happy he found something that seems to work for him. But he paints with a very broad brush which is simply not being real. A lot of folks are like this when it comes to religion its my way or you will burn in hell.
Peace and love is spot on.
Peace and love is spot on.
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