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I'm back for questions on different detox methods
From any one that remembers my last post after a few days I caved pawned some stuff because I was sick like really sick, sickest I have ever been detoxing. So I used yesterday and of course within hours all symptoms had disappeared. I need to be able to do this without looking like I'm a walker from the walking dead. So I know the traditional way is to slowly drop dosage by mg. I've noticed I don't really ever start getting sick until the middle of day 2. Has anybody ever tapered by the time between dosing rather than actually cutting the dose? Say I don't get sick until the second day, how about waiting 3 and taking a full dose then waiting 4 and so on. I know it's probably mostly the addict in me that wants to do it this way but for what pills cost around here. I can't imagine spending that only to feel slightly less ****** instead of awesome. So has anybody done this or is it just begging to relapse again. I figure it's what casual users who don't become addicts do. Take a dose and get high don't mess with it for awhile and so on. Realistic yes? No?
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Just checking in because I haven't today. You've gotten tons of great advice. I so understand that you have a job where you have to function. Personally, I've quit high doses twice cold turkey. But I had the luxury of time off and total support when I did so. I can't do that now, and my taper is going EXTREMELY well, despite the terrible pain I am still in. I'm doing a lot of meditation. That being said, I don't think I could taper if I hadn't done 3 years of recovery work since my last stint. Because I've worked a solid aftercare program, and have been taking meds for legitimate reasons (surgery) and have not ever abused them this time, it is totally painless for me in terms of the mental part. I have no false love for these pills. I am not caught up in active addiction.
But YOU are. And I have to say, I truly believe that when we are caught in active addiction it takes something drastic to stop it. It might mean that you have to go through some seriously unpleasant sh*t....Not just with the withdrawal, but with your wife, your job, etc. Because it requires getting humble. It requires admitting that you are not in control of this (a damn hard thing for us control freaks to do)
I don't think I would have gotten clean and invested myself fully in aftercare had I not gone cold turkey and realized what kind of trouble I was really in. I don't think I ever would have been able to be strong enough to have made it through the past year of agonizing pain, invasive medical procedures, pain meds, and surgery had I NOT gone through being completely humbled by this disease.
You are gonna need to make a choice here. You gotta know that NOTHING in life is possible until you make a grand gesture to save yourself. I believe this to the very core of my being.
Think about it. I'm here if you need me.
Lu
Just checking in because I haven't today. You've gotten tons of great advice. I so understand that you have a job where you have to function. Personally, I've quit high doses twice cold turkey. But I had the luxury of time off and total support when I did so. I can't do that now, and my taper is going EXTREMELY well, despite the terrible pain I am still in. I'm doing a lot of meditation. That being said, I don't think I could taper if I hadn't done 3 years of recovery work since my last stint. Because I've worked a solid aftercare program, and have been taking meds for legitimate reasons (surgery) and have not ever abused them this time, it is totally painless for me in terms of the mental part. I have no false love for these pills. I am not caught up in active addiction.
But YOU are. And I have to say, I truly believe that when we are caught in active addiction it takes something drastic to stop it. It might mean that you have to go through some seriously unpleasant sh*t....Not just with the withdrawal, but with your wife, your job, etc. Because it requires getting humble. It requires admitting that you are not in control of this (a damn hard thing for us control freaks to do)
I don't think I would have gotten clean and invested myself fully in aftercare had I not gone cold turkey and realized what kind of trouble I was really in. I don't think I ever would have been able to be strong enough to have made it through the past year of agonizing pain, invasive medical procedures, pain meds, and surgery had I NOT gone through being completely humbled by this disease.
You are gonna need to make a choice here. You gotta know that NOTHING in life is possible until you make a grand gesture to save yourself. I believe this to the very core of my being.
Think about it. I'm here if you need me.
Lu
He is on a taper now. He only took 3 pills yesterday so that is low. Not everyone can do aftercare. He will have to decide what he needs. I have never done AA or NA and will never go this stuff again. We have to remember that we do not know each other at all. We can't make general assumptions opinions and accusations to others. Can't tell others what they have to do or is the best way to do things. Honestly many have been turned off from this site bc of it.
We need to support each other without judging and demanding. Really listen to what someone says. Not everyone fits into the cookie cutter mold. What works for me may not work for someone else. If someone says that isn't for me, then maybe something lee is. Like an online site like SMART. Or an actual addiction counselor to talk to weekly.
He has a job that DOES NOT allow him to go cold turkey. He has to be in good shape body AND MIND to do what he goes. He has a weird schedule so he can plan his taper and then walk off durning his week. Slow and steady with minimal discomfort.
Everyone has great advice. But we can't act like we know what is best. There are many options. He needs us for support. We all do.
We need to support each other without judging and demanding. Really listen to what someone says. Not everyone fits into the cookie cutter mold. What works for me may not work for someone else. If someone says that isn't for me, then maybe something lee is. Like an online site like SMART. Or an actual addiction counselor to talk to weekly.
He has a job that DOES NOT allow him to go cold turkey. He has to be in good shape body AND MIND to do what he goes. He has a weird schedule so he can plan his taper and then walk off durning his week. Slow and steady with minimal discomfort.
Everyone has great advice. But we can't act like we know what is best. There are many options. He needs us for support. We all do.
Wow, you've gotten lots of advice here.
I have a concern about the amount of hydrcodone you are taking...is it Vicodin? Another words, are you taking acetaminophen (Tylenol) along with the hydro?
If so, and you are approaching 100 mgs a day of Vicodin, you could be ingesting large doses of acetamnphen, and it is very bad for your liver.
Here's my 2 cents, for what it is worth:
1. You're on a high dose, to you might want to taper down a bit, BUT
2. You just have to jump at some point. You are gong to be SICK. Accept it, embrace it, realize that this is the price you MUST pay for abusing drugs. We've all been there and it is awful...but you will live through it. Have you looked up the Thomas recipe? It helps...but...
It's going to be awful. You will be nauseous, have diarrhea, leg cramps, night sweats, be anxious, and sleep will be messed up. You just have to grind your way through it.
3. This borders on minding your business, but if you cannot share this with your wife, is this really someone you want to be with? Because (and this is the KEY part): getting detoxed is only the very BEGINNING of this beast. You're an addict. It's a lifelong problem, and you will need support, as if TALKING TO OTHER PEOPLE, or I 100% guarantee you will relapse. I know these are tough words, but I am telling you the truth.
You stated that the folks in NA didn't "get it." What does that mean? How many meetings did you go to? Some meetings just are not the right fit. You have to do 90 in 90 days....one meeting, every single day (hopefully you mix it up and find all different ones...step meeting, discussion meetings, etc.)
One more piece of advice: Your best thinking got you where you are RIGHT now. Ponder that for awhile....
We're all here for you hon...
Hugs,
-Robin
I have a concern about the amount of hydrcodone you are taking...is it Vicodin? Another words, are you taking acetaminophen (Tylenol) along with the hydro?
If so, and you are approaching 100 mgs a day of Vicodin, you could be ingesting large doses of acetamnphen, and it is very bad for your liver.
Here's my 2 cents, for what it is worth:
1. You're on a high dose, to you might want to taper down a bit, BUT
2. You just have to jump at some point. You are gong to be SICK. Accept it, embrace it, realize that this is the price you MUST pay for abusing drugs. We've all been there and it is awful...but you will live through it. Have you looked up the Thomas recipe? It helps...but...
It's going to be awful. You will be nauseous, have diarrhea, leg cramps, night sweats, be anxious, and sleep will be messed up. You just have to grind your way through it.
3. This borders on minding your business, but if you cannot share this with your wife, is this really someone you want to be with? Because (and this is the KEY part): getting detoxed is only the very BEGINNING of this beast. You're an addict. It's a lifelong problem, and you will need support, as if TALKING TO OTHER PEOPLE, or I 100% guarantee you will relapse. I know these are tough words, but I am telling you the truth.
You stated that the folks in NA didn't "get it." What does that mean? How many meetings did you go to? Some meetings just are not the right fit. You have to do 90 in 90 days....one meeting, every single day (hopefully you mix it up and find all different ones...step meeting, discussion meetings, etc.)
One more piece of advice: Your best thinking got you where you are RIGHT now. Ponder that for awhile....
We're all here for you hon...
Hugs,
-Robin
Good job on only taking 3 pills! That's awesome!
I think one of the major sticking points for people going through detox is that they are forever trying to find a way to make it painless. It really is virtually impossible. Even with a very slow and deliberate taper, there is usually SOME kind of withdrawal.
One of the best pieces of advice posted here is to try very hard with JUST being OK with NOT being okay for a while. If you can find that place of acceptance...acceptance of the process, acceptance that there is no easy way out, and acceptance that feeling lousy WILL pass and won't last forever...mentally, that will put you at an advantage.
Keep us updated bud!
I think one of the major sticking points for people going through detox is that they are forever trying to find a way to make it painless. It really is virtually impossible. Even with a very slow and deliberate taper, there is usually SOME kind of withdrawal.
One of the best pieces of advice posted here is to try very hard with JUST being OK with NOT being okay for a while. If you can find that place of acceptance...acceptance of the process, acceptance that there is no easy way out, and acceptance that feeling lousy WILL pass and won't last forever...mentally, that will put you at an advantage.
Keep us updated bud!
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