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snorting Percocet
Hi all:
I have been reading the posts on here for a couple of weeks, you are all very informative, I hope someone can help with this question.
My daughter is now 23, she was in a serious car accident 2 years ago, extensive injuries, but doing much better now. She has a standing script for percocet due to a neck injury. I have recently found out that she is now snorting it. I understand addiction as I come from a very addictive family, and I guess maybe she is not getting the high or "relief" that she once was from taking them orally............... " she says that yes, she has to preserve what she has and snorting them makes them last longer". believe me I am no dummy, been down that road before with people. She does not run out early, but snorting is new to her. I have no reason to doubt this as she does not lie and when I found the traces a few weeks ago, she admitted it. I am trying to set up a meeting with her doctor of pain management to discuss this, which right now she is willing to do..................... But we all know the HIPPA laws, this needs to come from her.
My question is this.................... Does snorting a little piece (as she claims) give you the same effect as taking a pill. Is it worse than snorting cocaine? Apparently cocaine has no physical W/D symptoms as I have read so much
on the web, only mental.................... could have fooled me been down that road.
If someone out there could give me a little advice it would be so appreciated.
I have been reading the posts on here for a couple of weeks, you are all very informative, I hope someone can help with this question.
My daughter is now 23, she was in a serious car accident 2 years ago, extensive injuries, but doing much better now. She has a standing script for percocet due to a neck injury. I have recently found out that she is now snorting it. I understand addiction as I come from a very addictive family, and I guess maybe she is not getting the high or "relief" that she once was from taking them orally............... " she says that yes, she has to preserve what she has and snorting them makes them last longer". believe me I am no dummy, been down that road before with people. She does not run out early, but snorting is new to her. I have no reason to doubt this as she does not lie and when I found the traces a few weeks ago, she admitted it. I am trying to set up a meeting with her doctor of pain management to discuss this, which right now she is willing to do..................... But we all know the HIPPA laws, this needs to come from her.
My question is this.................... Does snorting a little piece (as she claims) give you the same effect as taking a pill. Is it worse than snorting cocaine? Apparently cocaine has no physical W/D symptoms as I have read so much
on the web, only mental.................... could have fooled me been down that road.
If someone out there could give me a little advice it would be so appreciated.
hi and welcome to the forum. i am former snorter and when you snort it it immediately hit you. no wait, but i did find it wore of much quicker than taking the pill. coke and pills give totally different highs so you really cant compare it. good luck to you and your daughter.
Hi. I have also snorted percs in the past. I agree that it hits immediately and it gave me more of a high, but yes it does wear off much quicker. It is not intended to be snorted and it seems like addictive behavior. if what she has been given is not helping her you should definitely try to get her to talk to the doc. All my best to you and your daughter.
Thanks and that is what I thought, the effects don't last as long, as taking the pills, just as cocaine it is instant gratification that wears off quick. So why??????? Believe me she has a script for enough to last most people a life time.................. why snort then????
I know tolerance grows over time and what one pill would do to someone 6 months ago may take 9 now..........................
I just don't know what to think at this point.
I know tolerance grows over time and what one pill would do to someone 6 months ago may take 9 now..........................
I just don't know what to think at this point.
My honest opinion - she is snorting them because she likes the instant- ultra- high she is getting from snorting them. Sorry. Its good you have an open relationship with her --keep trying to talk to her. I truly wish you nothing but luck.
i am afraid she is snorting them because she likes the high it gves...it is much more intense than orally.
Yes I agree it is definitely addictive behavior,,,,,,,,,,,, Not according to her though.........
I am trying to get this done, just need more info.
Getting off this stuff is the hardest %&*^%b in the world believe me I know and I hate that Junkie mechanism that everyone has, who does not have a clue refers too........
Most people are accidental addicts when it comes to Pain Meds........ Hey makes you feel great for a while doesn't it when it is initially prescribed????????? But then it happens before you even realize it.
I am trying to get this done, just need more info.
Getting off this stuff is the hardest %&*^%b in the world believe me I know and I hate that Junkie mechanism that everyone has, who does not have a clue refers too........
Most people are accidental addicts when it comes to Pain Meds........ Hey makes you feel great for a while doesn't it when it is initially prescribed????????? But then it happens before you even realize it.
It kind of sounds like nothing can be passed over you.
Do you have a prior addiction?
Just a question, while wishing you the best....I have a daughter that age too.
Do you have a prior addiction?
Just a question, while wishing you the best....I have a daughter that age too.
Absolutely, yes like I said been there done that, but her family has a huge history of addictive behavior, maybe I have beat it maybe not it is day to day, every day, i am young as well. I just know all too well what happens when you reach that point and I am afraid for her.
Obviously it will be tough, but we are in if she is. Funny thing is nobody who knows me would ever guess that, and according to them "it is just so foreign to them"....... I don't think so at all, I think most people are just not honest "in the REAL world", the same people who go home at night and drink 2 bottles of wine that don't have a problem..... but someone that looks like me, could never have an addiction problem, unless it was the ever popular "booze" socially acceptable............. blah blah.
We all have our demons..... one is not worse than the other when it comes to addiction. I just worry about my girl who may not be there yet and what I can actually do short of chaining her to the bed (joking) to stop this now.
She lives in our home, WE love her yet have no rights. She will talk to me and be honest sure............................ but it is a lot harder than that to stop. As I am sure everyone here knows.
Obviously it will be tough, but we are in if she is. Funny thing is nobody who knows me would ever guess that, and according to them "it is just so foreign to them"....... I don't think so at all, I think most people are just not honest "in the REAL world", the same people who go home at night and drink 2 bottles of wine that don't have a problem..... but someone that looks like me, could never have an addiction problem, unless it was the ever popular "booze" socially acceptable............. blah blah.
We all have our demons..... one is not worse than the other when it comes to addiction. I just worry about my girl who may not be there yet and what I can actually do short of chaining her to the bed (joking) to stop this now.
She lives in our home, WE love her yet have no rights. She will talk to me and be honest sure............................ but it is a lot harder than that to stop. As I am sure everyone here knows.
Snorting medicine that is to be taking orally is abusing the meds. Whats funny is my story starts out the same as your daughters. Bad accident. 50+mph rear end accident and my neck get messed up. Its a crappy dead end road with drugs regardless of the pain.
You don't become a addict over night. Nor do you become diabetic over night. Its a gradual movement that once you have had enough, your done for.
Just by her sniffing them gives you more then clear evidence really that shes after the high.
On another note, Percocet is not meant to be snorted (*no pain meds are meant to be snorted but there are ones that are fine to sniff because they are pure*) . Your noes, luges, and smell sense will get so messed up from tylenol alone its ridiculous. Not to mention all the binders, Tylenol and other stuff your snorting directly into your lunges and noes. You cant even begin to imagine the damage that stuff does to your respiratory system.
All my love and good luck on getting your daughter back.
You don't become a addict over night. Nor do you become diabetic over night. Its a gradual movement that once you have had enough, your done for.
Just by her sniffing them gives you more then clear evidence really that shes after the high.
On another note, Percocet is not meant to be snorted (*no pain meds are meant to be snorted but there are ones that are fine to sniff because they are pure*) . Your noes, luges, and smell sense will get so messed up from tylenol alone its ridiculous. Not to mention all the binders, Tylenol and other stuff your snorting directly into your lunges and noes. You cant even begin to imagine the damage that stuff does to your respiratory system.
All my love and good luck on getting your daughter back.
Forgot to add, on another note.
When I was using opiates for pain. When I was withdrawaling the pain I had in my neck was so terrible that I wanted to shoot myself. The funny thing is now 30 days clean of no opiates and I have very little pain in my neck compared to when I was using them everyday. My pain levels when I was on opiates was 6-8 constantly all day everyday, my pain meds would maybe take 1-2 points if that and soon as it wore off I would be back to the same if not in more pain.
My point with this I have come to the conclusion that my brain was so addicted to this stuff and I would only use it for pain, that my brain made me feel worse then I was actually feeling just so I could more meds. My doc says that this is not uncommon and had seen it before, but is not usually brought out until you see a psychologist. He said that its a good rule to stick by that if your pain is more intensified after the medicine wears off (if you have not been doing hard labor) you got a good idea that its probably med dependency\addiction, but not in all cases.
Just letting you know what I went through, I wasted 3 years of my life I can never get back using these meds and dealing with pain that was made by my brain
Lunges* nose* (misspelled them in the last post.)
Again good luck with everything.
When I was using opiates for pain. When I was withdrawaling the pain I had in my neck was so terrible that I wanted to shoot myself. The funny thing is now 30 days clean of no opiates and I have very little pain in my neck compared to when I was using them everyday. My pain levels when I was on opiates was 6-8 constantly all day everyday, my pain meds would maybe take 1-2 points if that and soon as it wore off I would be back to the same if not in more pain.
My point with this I have come to the conclusion that my brain was so addicted to this stuff and I would only use it for pain, that my brain made me feel worse then I was actually feeling just so I could more meds. My doc says that this is not uncommon and had seen it before, but is not usually brought out until you see a psychologist. He said that its a good rule to stick by that if your pain is more intensified after the medicine wears off (if you have not been doing hard labor) you got a good idea that its probably med dependency\addiction, but not in all cases.
Just letting you know what I went through, I wasted 3 years of my life I can never get back using these meds and dealing with pain that was made by my brain
Lunges* nose* (misspelled them in the last post.)
Again good luck with everything.
You don't become a addict over night. Nor do you become diabetic over night. Its a gradual movement that once you have had enough, your done for.
~Strange that you would make that reference, she has had type 1 diabetes since age 10.
~Strange that you would make that reference, she has had type 1 diabetes since age 10.
I have also, heard, what you said about pain being worse when taking the narcotics, not sure if it psychological or physical, I have read that it does something to certain pain receptors............. something like that.
Don't know............ but i am really going to pin her down in the am and have her call her doctor, she says now that she is willing to give permission (this morning) to allow me to go and talk with him and help. That was then (trying to get out of the house today) and this is now so we will see.
Also funny how her friends have gradually changed lately, still has the good ones, but some new, shall we say different ones as well. Way too obvious!
Don't know............ but i am really going to pin her down in the am and have her call her doctor, she says now that she is willing to give permission (this morning) to allow me to go and talk with him and help. That was then (trying to get out of the house today) and this is now so we will see.
Also funny how her friends have gradually changed lately, still has the good ones, but some new, shall we say different ones as well. Way too obvious!
Glad your taking the appropriate actions. Keep up the good work you seem like a great mom with a good head on your shoulders.
Sorry to hear shes diabetic, thats terrible.
If she has no problem with needles because of insulin use, there is even more concern to have because that can lead down a dark road of injecting and few ever come back. (just heads up)
Just make sure you "pin" her down and make sure you know what your goals are with talking to her. Starting with the basic of just trying to help her like you are.
Good luck!
Sorry to hear shes diabetic, thats terrible.
If she has no problem with needles because of insulin use, there is even more concern to have because that can lead down a dark road of injecting and few ever come back. (just heads up)
Just make sure you "pin" her down and make sure you know what your goals are with talking to her. Starting with the basic of just trying to help her like you are.
Good luck!
This was some great advice from folks who have 'been there - done that' and I hope the encouraging words help. I only had one thing to add ---- you mentioned talking to her doctors ------ this is a very good idea. They do need to know 'everything'. Many of us on this site came to the conclusion that there are many other remedies for chronic pain other than opiates. The longer one is on them, the less effective they become thus requiring more and more --- then they begin to cause major problems both physically and emotionally. It sound like she has a good support system should she decide that she needs to come off of the pills. Talking with the doctors should be the first step. All the best.
Snorting percs is not a very efficient way of getting a narcotic into your system. You end up snorting a ton of tylenol and only a little dope. The habit of snorting is also an addiction and there have been some people here who wanted to detox and went on sub and snorted that. Not good.
Thank you for all your advice, we talked this morning and she claimed she has only recently started snorting them. She still takes them orally as well, she said she started because one of her "new" friends who obviously likes to get high, turned her on to that. Sharing her pain pills is also a problem but what do you do when "friends" who like them know you have them.................. Just say no? LOL I get all that, it is tough.
On another note she did call her doctor's office this morning and asked for an appointment, she said she wanted me present, the earliest we could get was Thursday. So we will see how it goes, she said she WILL tell the doctor what she has been doing. I am concerned that she may be telling me what I want to hear at this point though and may change her mind by Thursday.
On another note she did call her doctor's office this morning and asked for an appointment, she said she wanted me present, the earliest we could get was Thursday. So we will see how it goes, she said she WILL tell the doctor what she has been doing. I am concerned that she may be telling me what I want to hear at this point though and may change her mind by Thursday.
Very astute mom ---- very wise ------ I have a feeling that this daughter will not be able to put anything over on you ---- and she really needs you now. All the best.
Seems like you pretty much knew this one without even asking!!! I think I missed my daughters by a long shot.. And being an addict, I never thought I would miss it...But i have realize this after thinking about your post..That when i was using, i was too busy worried about running out, or getting some, that is the reason i missed it !! SICK..now looking back i should not have...SO when I was using and thinking i was "super mom" really was not doing my job well...Well thank god she is clean now...
Keep us posted, and i hope things go well for you and her...
r2r
Keep us posted, and i hope things go well for you and her...
r2r
Thanks and you are right I pretty much did know some of the answers without having to ask, but it was the whole snorting thing that I was unsure of, because I have been counting her pills and I know she never runs out early, she is prescribed 180 a month and usually has some left over. So I have been watching for any signs of abuse for quite some time and except for the latest greatest have not found any. Also I crushed one the other day and that is a LOT of junk to snort! She says she only does it in small pieces, I can't imagine that someone could snort a whole one, but I am sure it can be done.
Let me say this DO not be so hard on yourself! I could write a book on stuff that I have "missed" in her life. No one is perfect, I think we as mothers all start out thinking we will be the best mother and have the best kids and everything will be perfect, but life gets in the way, working high pressure jobs, trying to be the best wife, mother, friend what ever........ That list is endless. Nobody can be 100% perfect and on top of everything all the time.
In my other post I had said I am or (was) a young mother, I turned 40 in May she turned 23 in June. Also I have a very addictive family background as well as her Dad's side, About 10 years ago I had a very bad dependency on Benzo's initially prescribed for stress. I got all my stock brokers licenses on them, thought I was doing just great had no clue what so ever that I had a problem or what these tiny pills could do, my doctor never said anything never flinched when I would tell him I needed more that they were not working any more, just kept uping the dosage. I felt great, but when I think back on it seriously I think they only one I really was not fooling was myself. I was eating them like candy, and getting off of those things is something I would never ever wish on anyone! As far as Opiates go......... I know only too well the feeling of having surgery or a broken bone and being in complete Agony, but POP 2 of those and you are scrubbing the kitchen floor and feel like there is nothing you can not do. That could have been easily me as well, but something inside (thank god) told me it was not right to feel like that and it would be too easy to keep going and like it! So fortunately as easy as they were to get, I didn't.
My whole point is this you can not blame yourself or judge yourself for your daughter's addiction, she is clean now and that is HUGE! You have absolutely NO way of knowing if you were not using, that anything for her would have been any different!
This is why I hate these pills, this disease, all of it, this is why I am so cautious with her. I hate the fact that she has to take these. She does have real pain and it can be very bad at times I have tried my best to explain all of this to her right from the beginning. Also Thursday I am hoping to talk to the doctor about some other form of pain management being a type 1 diabetic, her kidney and liver functions are always at risk to begin with. The whole thing blows! She is an "adult" now so it is really up to her all I can do is hope she means what she says, and gets it.
By the way 399 days is awesome congratulations!
Let me say this DO not be so hard on yourself! I could write a book on stuff that I have "missed" in her life. No one is perfect, I think we as mothers all start out thinking we will be the best mother and have the best kids and everything will be perfect, but life gets in the way, working high pressure jobs, trying to be the best wife, mother, friend what ever........ That list is endless. Nobody can be 100% perfect and on top of everything all the time.
In my other post I had said I am or (was) a young mother, I turned 40 in May she turned 23 in June. Also I have a very addictive family background as well as her Dad's side, About 10 years ago I had a very bad dependency on Benzo's initially prescribed for stress. I got all my stock brokers licenses on them, thought I was doing just great had no clue what so ever that I had a problem or what these tiny pills could do, my doctor never said anything never flinched when I would tell him I needed more that they were not working any more, just kept uping the dosage. I felt great, but when I think back on it seriously I think they only one I really was not fooling was myself. I was eating them like candy, and getting off of those things is something I would never ever wish on anyone! As far as Opiates go......... I know only too well the feeling of having surgery or a broken bone and being in complete Agony, but POP 2 of those and you are scrubbing the kitchen floor and feel like there is nothing you can not do. That could have been easily me as well, but something inside (thank god) told me it was not right to feel like that and it would be too easy to keep going and like it! So fortunately as easy as they were to get, I didn't.
My whole point is this you can not blame yourself or judge yourself for your daughter's addiction, she is clean now and that is HUGE! You have absolutely NO way of knowing if you were not using, that anything for her would have been any different!
This is why I hate these pills, this disease, all of it, this is why I am so cautious with her. I hate the fact that she has to take these. She does have real pain and it can be very bad at times I have tried my best to explain all of this to her right from the beginning. Also Thursday I am hoping to talk to the doctor about some other form of pain management being a type 1 diabetic, her kidney and liver functions are always at risk to begin with. The whole thing blows! She is an "adult" now so it is really up to her all I can do is hope she means what she says, and gets it.
By the way 399 days is awesome congratulations!
It not good that she snorts percs. Being hooked on them is bad and snorting them shows another level of dependence. This doesn't even make sense but addicts do it with percs and vics and even smoke them. They don't get as much narcotic in their system but the ritual of snorting is a tough one to over come. I used to snort heroin and other narcotics like dilaudid and can relate. I wish you all the best.
mr lucky is right. the act of snorting is as addictive as the drug its self. you have to break the addiction cycle. hopefully she wil be honest with her dr.
I have a 25 year old daughter, breast cancer survivor whom i found out today from her friend that is snorting oxycodone, up to 9 a day. Not sure what to do about it. She doesn't live in my home and denys taking anything when I ask her if she has taken something to make her loopy.She recently broke up with her fience and is renting a home from us with a friend. She is a LPN and has a good job, keeps getting perscriptions from her Dr. complaining of arthritis pain in her hands from the Chemo treatments. She has been through alot over the past 4 years, but enough is enough. She is cancer free now and there is no reason for this other than an addiction.
Hi:
I have been wanting to give everyone and update on my daughter and her "doctor's" appointment. We went she was honest told the doctor she snorted a "few lines with a friend" (the friends idea). Said she didn't really like it, has not done it since I found out and did not plan to do it again.
He asked her if she was saying this because I was with her or was it the truth? She told him it was the truth. He asked her and I if there were any more signs of abuse ie: running out early and she said no.... She never runs out early (which is true).
THEN he looked at me and said she was experimenting and to some degree that was "normal" swear to god. (Okay maybe for a 16 year old experimenting is normal) not when you are 23. But since she was admitting to it and no other signs of abuse he was confident she would be okay and should continue on the same dosage or on a prn basis. I think he saw my jaw literally hit the floor........................ Then he said "But obviously Mom is concerned so maybe if you "agree" Mom could hold your pills for a while, and make sure you are taking them correctly". She agreed. Okay I am no medical professional but I was beyond pissed, I am really not sure that is the reaction a Dr. should of had when a patient came in and admitted to snorting (abusing) pain pills.
Anyway we did that it worked..... skip forward a week she had a fight with the friend and they were no longer friends anymore (wonder why), I am still holding the pills and she is doing fine and I was just thinking the other day okay I will let the situation go back to where it was because she was doing so well.
Guess who was in my kitchen when I came home from work going through my kitchen cabinets, while my daughter was in the shower............ yup you guessed it the "ex-friend". I lost it, threw her *** out and now my daughter is pissed. She was looking for something to eat she said, yeah she was not even close to anywhere near where the food is kept and she was in the cabinet my daughter used to keep her bottle in. I am so mad I could scream my daughter is too, at me, because the friend called her and begged her for a ride to work because her car broke down and no one else could do it. So my daughter picked her up because she felt bad and she had to shower first. (yeah right............ I am so sure chickydoo saw her golden opportunity right there. You should have seen the look on her face when I walked in.
Sorry to be so long winded guess I just needed to vent. I feel bad for the friend because she has an addiction but I am not letting her take my daughter down with her. And there was no point to calling the cops (prove that is what she was doing) so I tossed her literally by her turtle neck and she is no light weight either I swear I could of killed her, I believe she knew that too.
So now my daughter is friends with her, not speaking to me and I am sitting here ready to blow! Pills are still here though!
Again sorry to vent but if the doctor's reaction was not bad enough.... now this!
I have been wanting to give everyone and update on my daughter and her "doctor's" appointment. We went she was honest told the doctor she snorted a "few lines with a friend" (the friends idea). Said she didn't really like it, has not done it since I found out and did not plan to do it again.
He asked her if she was saying this because I was with her or was it the truth? She told him it was the truth. He asked her and I if there were any more signs of abuse ie: running out early and she said no.... She never runs out early (which is true).
THEN he looked at me and said she was experimenting and to some degree that was "normal" swear to god. (Okay maybe for a 16 year old experimenting is normal) not when you are 23. But since she was admitting to it and no other signs of abuse he was confident she would be okay and should continue on the same dosage or on a prn basis. I think he saw my jaw literally hit the floor........................ Then he said "But obviously Mom is concerned so maybe if you "agree" Mom could hold your pills for a while, and make sure you are taking them correctly". She agreed. Okay I am no medical professional but I was beyond pissed, I am really not sure that is the reaction a Dr. should of had when a patient came in and admitted to snorting (abusing) pain pills.
Anyway we did that it worked..... skip forward a week she had a fight with the friend and they were no longer friends anymore (wonder why), I am still holding the pills and she is doing fine and I was just thinking the other day okay I will let the situation go back to where it was because she was doing so well.
Guess who was in my kitchen when I came home from work going through my kitchen cabinets, while my daughter was in the shower............ yup you guessed it the "ex-friend". I lost it, threw her *** out and now my daughter is pissed. She was looking for something to eat she said, yeah she was not even close to anywhere near where the food is kept and she was in the cabinet my daughter used to keep her bottle in. I am so mad I could scream my daughter is too, at me, because the friend called her and begged her for a ride to work because her car broke down and no one else could do it. So my daughter picked her up because she felt bad and she had to shower first. (yeah right............ I am so sure chickydoo saw her golden opportunity right there. You should have seen the look on her face when I walked in.
Sorry to be so long winded guess I just needed to vent. I feel bad for the friend because she has an addiction but I am not letting her take my daughter down with her. And there was no point to calling the cops (prove that is what she was doing) so I tossed her literally by her turtle neck and she is no light weight either I swear I could of killed her, I believe she knew that too.
So now my daughter is friends with her, not speaking to me and I am sitting here ready to blow! Pills are still here though!
Again sorry to vent but if the doctor's reaction was not bad enough.... now this!
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