Could MS actually be Lymes..I'll explain

[ewford]

OK, before I get FLAMED for this, I will state that I, like so many sufferers here have/had hall the symptoms of MS, Lupus, CFS, etc.  I was "pidgeonholed" and told that I had MS and my dr wanted me to start on MS medications that were only symptom relievers.  As I researched more and more, I discovered that there has been a EXPONENTIAL EXPLOSION of autoimmune diseases that really took off after the early 90's.  Doctors have no explanation for it.  Why? I asked.

After doing extensive research I started to notice that Gulf War Illness and MS, Lupus, CFS, Fibromyalgia and many AI diseases are exactly alike with overlapping symptoms.  I started interviewing soldiers and spouses that were perfectly fine before entering the service, but now soldier and spouse alike are ill, with their children ill as well. Symptoms range from head to toe ie: Chronic headaches, eye pain, ringing in ears, stiff neck, sore throat, swollen Lymph nodes, joint pain, muscle stiffness, fatigue, shooting or throbbing pain anywhere, sore knees, ankles, bowell issues, heart pallipatations/pain, stomach issues, Women usually have ovarian/uterine issues.  Brain plaques, spinal fissures and a general unwellness feeling. (Am I forgetting anything?)

  The possibility of this being an chronic intracellular bacterial infection is extremely possible considering that it has been proven there were bacterial agents causing illnesses.  Many Gulf War soldiers and their families have Myco and Mico plasmal infections; bacterial and fungal infections that are systemic.  Lymes sufferers not only have these mycoplasmas but also coinfections that are exactly alike MS, Lupus, Fibro, ALS.  Once these bacteria enter the bloodstream, they go wherever your blood goes (everywhere-affecting all organs and tissues, including brain)

  Since everyones immune system is different, would it not be conceiveable that symptoms might vary from patient to patient?  Would it also not be conceivable that a dr would rush you in and out and give you a quick diag so he could see the next patient?  If your Dr ordered a Labcorp/Quest test for lyme disease, did he tell you that the tests are virtually 90% unreliable?  Those tests were designed to look for ONE type of Borrelia bacteria(there are over 200) and ONE type of form this bacteria exists in. Borrelia exist in 3 different forms.  They are pleomorphic-shape shifters.  Mycoplasmal, spirochetal, and cystic forms.  Look at it this way.  I will use an car analagy.  the test looks for a Honda element, but it sees a Accord, or a Civic or a Element depending on when the blood test is taken. And if you are taking any meds at the time of the test, it will be neg.  make sense?  Since this infection weakens your immune function, your immune system will never (rarely) show antibodies to it.  The infection is hidden INSIDE your cells.  This bacteria is truly bizzare but has been proven to exist in all forms.

  Youtube a video of Dr Lida Mattman and her work w/ Lymes bacteria and "stealth pathogens"  She was Harvard trained, PHD, Nobel Prize Nominee in Immunology/Virology and taught for over 35 years.  researchers too cadaver brain samples from Yale and sequenced them for Lyme Borrelia Burgdorferri bacteria.  The cadavers belonged to ALS, Lupus, MS, Sjorgens, hashimotos, etc diaged patients.  75% of the brains tested pos for the Lyme bacteria.


I have more info.  Please ask any questions, but keep the flames to a min.  Thnx

[cheesymum]

Hey!  All of my post didn't show up!  Defeats the whole purpose.  There was a "giggle" at the beginning of my post to show you had given me a good laugh.  My post doesn't make sense without it.  Pooh!

[cheesymum]

  Sorry.  Childish response but it is what it is.  Loved your post.

[LisaJF]

Thank you Ewfordo for your great knowledge and the countless hours of research to determine the misdiagnosis of MS due to the inability of doctors to send off the specimen for Lyme titers to a certain laboratory.

We are saved.

[DarthMom]

I was going to post a very warm post to you!!! But as I got down the page reading! I agree With Sumanadevii... I Don't feel you will respond anyway positively to me unless it was exactly which way you wanted!!! You remind me of my father he is a huge conspiracy therorist
and a holistic medic as well, a combination to keep well away from. But in the 90's my Mom was misdiagnosed with MS and she had Lymes and she is well now!!!

[Sumanadevii]

Is flaming when someone has an opinion that is different than what you want to hear?

I would be afraid to respond to your post.

[supermum_ms]

A little word of advice, if your concerned about being 'flamed' for having a controversial veiw and the welcome you receive is both warm and encouraging, its not a good idea to be close minded and condesending to others that share a different view. You risk not getting your message across and alienating those that might otherwise be interested in what you have to say simply because you are still on the defensive expecting to be 'flamed'.

I think you are probably in the approximate 10% stats of missdiagnosis, that doesn't mean that the other 90% dx with MS are misdiagnosed. Doctors screw up the dx of just about anything, it happens (lol dont i know it) but today its a lot more difficult getting dx with MS even when the diaognostic evidence is there. So with that thought in mind, did you get a dx of MS based on the MS criteria? What was the dx based on and why did you question it and get tested for lyme after dx?

Personally the chance of me having Lyme is so slim its hardly worth thinking about, none of what you say is relivant to 'everyone' and that should be something kept in mind in further discussions. I welcome the discussion but I'll quickly loose interest if i'm being preached at and not able to ask questions that for me aid my understanding of the topic.

So how does Lyme mimic MS in the clinical evidence? Is it the same or for example does Lyme have the MS type sx but not the clinical evidence?

Welcome.........JJ